# Was I killed in High-Sec by a player using propagation software? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** high-sec\ **Created:** [March 23, 2024, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909 "2024-03-23T14:24:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Natrium\_Cap](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natrium_cap/32/415860_2.png) [@Natrium\_Cap](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natrium_Cap)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909/88 "2024-03-27T15:10:22Z")
We treat you with respect, but still, maybe without multiboxes? (your idea is good and everyone’s game is profitable) ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909/89 "2024-03-27T15:19:52Z")
> [@Natrium\_Cap](#): > > do you think your opinion is interesting? It is my opinion, Natrium. If it isn’t interesting to you, I will not die from disappointment. > [@Natrium\_Cap](#): > > Sasha Nemtsov= Destroyed Ships 37. > Sasha Nemtsov= 2 years 3 months. I’m not sure what quoting these figures is meant to achieve, Natrium. I presume they’re accurate, for I have no interest in them myself. > [@Natrium\_Cap](#): > > Sasha Nemtsov=Who are you, miracle? I am Sasha Nemtsov. _You_ are the miracle, Natrium. If you chase two rabbits…be sure that they are rabbits, and not phantoms. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Drew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_drew/32/395254_2.png) [@ISD\_Drew](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Drew)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909/90 "2024-03-27T15:28:42Z")
Cleaned up several off topic, inappropriate posts. let’s see if we can keep this on track to assisting the OP on how to learn from this experience. If there are concerns around gameplay that violates the ToS/AUP please report to the GM team directly → [https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/360011834800-Contacting-Support](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/360011834800-Contacting-Support) ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909/91 "2024-03-27T16:26:04Z")
> [@Natrium\_Cap](#): > > You are trying so hard to prove that there is no automation program, do you provide calculations on how and what should be configured if it is a multibox? YOU make the claim that it is so it’s on YOU to show proof. Others (even ones who aren’t typically in favour of ganking) already explained how it works but to understand this would require active brain effort and there’s enough evidence that you’re not very willing or capable of that given your AFK auto piloting and your crap fits. A 5 second youtube search on “eve online multibox ganking” shows several videos, the top one is this one which shows _exactly_ how this happens. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/7/2/972a1e64ce5fdcc66dac1370b40cd65d472c6080.jpeg "EVE Online: Gank - 13 Catalysts vs Mackinaw 2023.01.21") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DjDai-2Kpo) But doing a simple search like that, to learn more, is probably too much brain effort. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909/92 "2024-03-27T17:34:36Z")
> [@Natrium\_Cap](#): > > You are trying so hard to prove that there is no automation program You keep confusing proof with your assumptions. Nobody’s trying to prove there is no automation running. I can guarantee plenty of people run automation, and deserve to be banned for it. People are telling you what really happens, and how to distinguish automation from a fast-clicking multi-boxer. Nobody is even arguing that multi-boxing is good for the game, or that multi-box ganking is a good idea. I happen to think both of those are bad for EVE in the long run. But the thing is, those things are currently _legal_ and _supported_ by CCP’s rules for EVE. To some extent they’re even economically necessary for the continued operation of EVE, given the (possibly bad) design decisions made by CCP. However, you keep confusing multi-boxing (which is legal) with automation (which is illegal). You keep confusing your _assumptions_ with facts. You keep confusing people who point out the reality to you with “bad multiboxing cheaters” or something. I realize perhaps you’re dealing with language differences, and I completely respect the fact that you can communicate reasonably well in a second language. Unfortunately, all you’re communicating is that you have the logic and anger-management skills of a 12-year old. Learn from these opportunities and get better. That’s EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909/95 "2024-03-27T18:00:18Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Nobody is even arguing that…multi-box ganking is a good idea. I happen to think both of those are bad for EVE in the long run. Hi Kezrai, multi-box ganking only became particularly necessary for solo players. It’s less of an issue for ganking fleets, even though their members do multi-box, sometimes because they have to do so in order to be effective. You know what it took in the past to gank, say, a Retriever. One ganker and one scout/looter. Technically that was also multi-boxing, of course. But it was (for me, at least) affordable fun. If CCP is committed to the preservation of suicide ganking as a viable activity in EVE, then it has made the career more difficult to pursue, and that may well have been their intention. It’s their game; their rules. If you accept what I’ve said, above, then I’d really like to know why you believe that multi-boxing (in relation to suicide ganking) might be bad for the game in the long run. You’ve probably made the argument elsewhere, Kezrai, but I’d be grateful if you could re-hash it here for me 😀. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909/96 "2024-03-27T18:08:16Z")
And we multi-box to hunt gankers so all good ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909/98 "2024-03-27T18:21:49Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > If you accept what I’ve said, above, then I’d really like to know why you believe that multi-boxing (in relation to suicide ganking) Well it’s not multi-boxing, per se. And not even in relation to ganking, suicide or other. If someone wants to pay for and run multiple accounts, to mine or manufacture or fight, more power to’em. The problem for me is that somewhere along the way, CCP seems to have given up on trying to broaden the potential appeal of the game. Not mass-market it but at least not confine it to such a narrow niche. They apparently decide that it was better to construct the game in such a way as to maximize the income for a comparatively few, dedicated players, as opposed to broadening the base. This has a lot of potentially negative outcomes, from restricting the variety in the game to narrowing career freedom to multiplying the financial impact of any bad decisions that drive people away from the game - since losing a single player is likely to lose more than one account’s worth of income. So I’m less against multi-boxing, as I am against design decisions that encourage the development of a more vertical player base than horizontal (if those terms make sense for you). ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909/99 "2024-03-27T19:01:35Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > I’m less against multi-boxing, as I am against design decisions that encourage the development of a more vertical player base than horizontal (if those terms make sense for you). Absolutely crystal-clear, Kezrai, thanks. I share your misgivings about CCP’s apparent course and its likely eventual destination. If I play devil’s advocate (though no-one has asked me to do so…), I see too the unattractive propositions available to CCP. You mentioned them yourself. Perhaps, instead of shunting a broader base of newer players onto some magical shard where they’ll be cushioned from the undoubted horrors that they face, it is the _veterans_ who should be ‘encouraged’ to move to somewhere new, somewhere more challenging, and a fitting environment for the utilisation of their many millions of skill points! Of course, it would have to be packaged as some kind of _reward_… 😉 p.s. That’s not a serious suggestion, of course. Thought I’d add the rider; my views have, in the past, been misrepresented. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909/100 "2024-03-27T20:49:53Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/4/1/c41b4407ba0e2a1031f85b8f7d18106ff76e89e1.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909/101 "2024-03-27T22:56:51Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > …so the gank lost them 2.75bn ISK. Yeah, but it was pretty friggin’ awesome, though. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 7:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909/102 "2024-03-28T07:30:28Z")
Go to Nullsec, refuse to pay rent, carve out your own space and play NRDS. That is Eve on ultra hard… ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909/103 "2024-03-28T09:24:19Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > carve out your own space > [@Dracvlad](#): > > That is Eve on ultra hard… @Destiny_Corrupted would be most interested, she always wanted to be a **Real PvPer** ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909/104 "2024-03-28T09:27:03Z")
It is always fun seeing a ganker shrill trying to make it about me. Why would a trade hub hugger be interested in that? EDIT: I should have quoted your post as you modified it after this post, chicken…, stand by your posting, LOL ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909/105 "2024-03-28T09:30:47Z")
make me ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 9:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909/106 "2024-03-28T09:35:18Z")
Getting a bit emotional there at my amusement over your panicked edit. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909/107 "2024-03-28T09:55:50Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/3/f/83fcc9d72d40bb719ec1e11850bad3cff85bc722.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909/108 "2024-03-28T09:58:05Z")
Pretty apt metaphor for your post edit. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2024, 5:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909/109 "2024-03-31T05:15:07Z")
Dracvlad! How are you, man! I missed you! I hope you’ve been well. Its been a long time. I really hope there’s no hard feelings. I think maybe we should be best friends now? ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2024, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909/110 "2024-03-31T10:57:30Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Pig](#): > > maybe we should be best friends **Zaera** can be your friend - how much **ISK** you got? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/a/2/ba2dc37b7e0de199f0d506256f56a65e1cbfbf71.jpeg) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/was-i-killed-in-high-sec-by-a-player-using-propagation-software/443909.md?page=6)