# Waste of Time **URL:** \ **Category:** Known Space\ **Created:** [June 3, 2026, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589 "2026-06-03T16:10:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Christine\_Creed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/christine_creed/32/510186_2.png) [@Christine\_Creed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Christine_Creed)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2026, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/267 "2026-06-12T01:33:59Z")
> [@Pure\_Capitalist](#): > > there are so many people that want it to fail. They only want it to fail because the game that theyve lived in for so many years has undergone a huge change. The change has inflicted a massive amount of butthurt and theyll always be affected by it no matter the amount of positive aspects that result from it. Ive been here for 18 years…and i always welcome change in this and any game i play if its designed to bring in new blood by any means that it can. We all know it takes quite a while for changes to settle in and create routines. Nobody is patient enough for that anymore. First days of a release is automatic doomsday. Sure, there are issues. Im pretty sure that reports have been sent and things will be fixed and adjusted. It never happens on the first days…never…in any game. ---
**Author:** ![Pure\_Capitalist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pure_capitalist/32/502764_2.png) [@Pure\_Capitalist](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pure_Capitalist)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2026, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/268 "2026-06-12T01:42:42Z")
> [@Christine\_Creed](#): > > always welcome change After 23 years here, I have not mistaken longevity for wisdom. A game that wants to survive must bring in new blood, and if a well-designed change accomplishes that, I will support it, even if the old guard has to briefly suffer the horror of adaptation. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2026, 1:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/269 "2026-06-12T01:44:29Z")
> [@Christine\_Creed](#): > > Youre slightly contradicting yourself. You just said you think players should leave as fast as possible…but then turn around and say it doesnt sound good for it to be that way. Which is it. Let me clarify: Excretium sucks, and I think players should leave 1.0 space ASAP. If the lack of content (or stupid content) happens to be **forcing** players to leave - I don’t think that’s necessarily a good plan (or working as intended). ---
**Author:** ![Christine\_Creed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/christine_creed/32/510186_2.png) [@Christine\_Creed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Christine_Creed)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2026, 1:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/270 "2026-06-12T01:52:29Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > If the lack of content happens to be **forcing** players to leave Working as intended. It absolutely trumps all the wild rumors of people farming in there 24/7 doesnt it. Hell you should be happy about the zone having just what it needs to deliver to newbros and then them leaving. What content is it you think it needs for it to be better? If they add it then that means players will stay longer…again contradiction what you think should be happening. LIke i told a few others…if you think the zone is so bad, then stay out of there. Its not for you. Its not designed for you, me, or any other long term player. If you do decide to cruise through there…then talk and teach the newbros. Put in the work that it will take to make the zone work. Convince them to stay and persevere through the rough transitions. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2026, 1:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/271 "2026-06-12T01:52:48Z")
> [@Pure\_Capitalist](#): > > even if the old guard has to briefly suffer the horror of adaptation. It’s not a question of adaptation. Most of the old guard will just avoid this new region because there’s zero point in going there. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2026, 1:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/272 "2026-06-12T01:53:45Z")
> [@Christine\_Creed](#): > > LIke i told a few others…if you think the zone is so bad, then stay out of there. Don’t worry - I am. I just don’t think it offers new players anything greater than what we already had in high-sec. Time will tell, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Hatch\_Nasty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hatch_nasty/32/512820_2.png) [@Hatch\_Nasty](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hatch_Nasty)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2026, 3:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/273 "2026-06-12T03:56:23Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Most of the old guard will just avoid this new region because there’s zero point in going there. That’s what I’m doing. I might be interested in trying the new epic arc once they fix the bugs, but other than that, there’s no reason for me to go there. I think I share @Christine_Creed 's opinion, in that change is sometimes both necessary and healthy if it means that EVE stays relevant in the game industry. I’ve been here almost 17 years, and I’d be happy if EVE survives for another 20, 30, or more (cue FC Hellmar chanting “EVE Forever”). Over the last two decades, I’ve never been resistant to changes in EVE, as long as they made sense for the game. I’ve even criticized CCP/FC on occasion for being too conservative and slow to adapt. All that said, I have to admit that so far, I’ve been disappointed with the Cradle of War expansion, more so than with other recent expansions (some of which I also found disappointing). Granted, it’s early days yet, and we’ll see how things evolve over the remainder of the year. But when I read the list of known issues and hear the copious bug reports (including the new epic arc being broken on release after it was hyped to such a degree), I can’t help but come away feeling this expansion was half-baked and largely untested. I think that’s what I find most disappointing. It seems years now since we’ve had an expansion that wasn’t borked to one degree or another. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2026, 4:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/274 "2026-06-12T04:58:13Z")
> [@Hatch\_Nasty](#): > > All that said, I have to admit that so far, I’ve been disappointed with the Cradle of War expansion… It **feels** more like a patch than an expansion. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2026, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/275 "2026-06-12T10:45:38Z")
How often does New Eden get expanded with an entire new region? ---
**Author:** ![Pure\_Capitalist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pure_capitalist/32/502764_2.png) [@Pure\_Capitalist](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pure_Capitalist)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2026, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/276 "2026-06-12T10:52:39Z")
Adding 50 some odd systems to \>8k seems like a patch. @Arthur_Aihaken spoke correctly. ---
**Author:** ![Pure\_Capitalist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pure_capitalist/32/502764_2.png) [@Pure\_Capitalist](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pure_Capitalist)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2026, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/277 "2026-06-12T10:55:10Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > entire new region 0.0069195284 is not a big number. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2026, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/278 "2026-06-12T15:02:56Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > I wouldn’t say this is a good thing, no. Okay? The design intent was relayed fairly explicitly in both the dev blog and in subsequent dev streams, and what you’re saying indicates that the execution matches the intent. It’s a place to learn, not a place to live. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2026, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/279 "2026-06-12T15:23:29Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Let me clarify: Excretium sucks, and I think players should leave 1.0 space ASAP. If the lack of content (or stupid content) happens to be **forcing** players to leave - I don’t think that’s necessarily a good plan (or working as intended). Every tutorial zone in every game I’ve played as been ‘forcing’ me to leave as there is very little value in staying once we have learned the basics. If Exordium does the same thing that seems very much intentional to me, and an example of a good tutorial zone. ---
**Author:** ![Pure\_Capitalist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pure_capitalist/32/502764_2.png) [@Pure\_Capitalist](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pure_Capitalist)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2026, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/283 "2026-06-12T16:30:06Z")
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**Author:** ![Pure\_Capitalist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pure_capitalist/32/502764_2.png) [@Pure\_Capitalist](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pure_Capitalist)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2026, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/285 "2026-06-12T18:36:46Z")
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**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2026, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/286 "2026-06-12T19:03:18Z")
> [@Namdor](#): > > It’s a place to learn, not a place to live. If they’re learning and leaving - great. If they’re leaving of quitting without learning anything - then not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Hatch\_Nasty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hatch_nasty/32/512820_2.png) [@Hatch\_Nasty](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hatch_Nasty)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2026, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/287 "2026-06-12T19:04:11Z")
No, I paid a hobo to do it. He took a turn as well. ---
**Author:** ![Power\_Armor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/power_armor/32/413178_2.png) [@Power\_Armor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Power_Armor)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2026, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/288 "2026-06-14T14:56:13Z")
> [@Pure\_Capitalist](#): > > Adding 50 some odd systems to \>8k seems like a patch. > > @Arthur_Aihaken spoke correctly. But…doesn’t the new region also have new game mechanics and new resources not found anywhere else? ---
**Author:** ![Pure\_Capitalist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pure_capitalist/32/502764_2.png) [@Pure\_Capitalist](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pure_Capitalist)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2026, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/289 "2026-06-14T17:11:32Z")
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**Author:** ![ISD\_Drew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_drew/32/395254_2.png) [@ISD\_Drew](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Drew)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2026, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/290 "2026-06-14T17:20:28Z")
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