# Waste of Time **URL:** \ **Category:** Known Space\ **Created:** [June 3, 2026, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589 "2026-06-03T16:10:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Anna\_Dyneaux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anna_dyneaux/32/510758_2.png) [@Anna\_Dyneaux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anna_Dyneaux)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/143 "2026-06-05T14:45:42Z")
> [@Honzas\_Krutas](#): > > The new route between Minmatar and Amarr seems to avoid all 0.6 systems without even making it a longer trip. In fact it takes less jumps than before. This means that the next best systems we can gank are 0.7. The difference in CONCORD response time between 0.6 and 0.7 is 4 seconds. 4 seconds equals to 2 shots from Catalyst. If we now need to use lets say 20 catalysts to kill 3x Expanded Caroghold Freighter in Gheth, if the gank happens in 0.7 that will mean we will need eother 5more toons in Catalysts or mix some t2 Taloses in between. (math behind it: in 0.6 Catalyst could shoot 10 times, if the freighter dies to 200 shots, in 0.7 the same amount of ships will do 160 shots, so with 8 shots per character that is 40/8 = 5 more alts in catalysts needed). But the 20 calatyst is not acurate number, might be more. Not to mention the Amarr war campaign reward will be a new station with lowered taxes compared to typical NPC stations (among which is Jita). I suspect that Jita will have the inertia to continue being the main trade hub for a long time, but if it doesn’t, the new trade hub is going to be this new station in Amarr, and the new stargates will link it through .7 or higher systems to both Hek and Dodixie. Only Jita would have no way to be reached without going into a .5 or lower system. Jita could well become the new backwater, and freighter ganking would be severely negatively impacted. Which I guess narratively will make sense. CONCORD scammed the Caldari out of the system, and now their utter incompetence will turn it into a complete backwater, and the cluster’s capsuleers will pivot to throwing all their tax money into the pockets of slavers instead. ---
**Author:** ![Christine\_Creed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/christine_creed/32/510186_2.png) [@Christine\_Creed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Christine_Creed)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/144 "2026-06-05T15:12:20Z")
> [@Honzas\_Krutas](#): > > It is called CONCORD response time. The higher the security status of the system, the less time we get before CONCORD ECM our ship(s). I do understand about the concord system. Its saved me a few times. > [@Honzas\_Krutas](#): > > The new route Well, i cant give advice here…but it sounds like more work for you to put in…and new tactics formed. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/145 "2026-06-05T18:41:45Z")
I believe they added some new gates in the update today? Haven’t checked to see what this changes… ---
**Author:** ![Hatch\_Nasty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hatch_nasty/32/512820_2.png) [@Hatch\_Nasty](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hatch_Nasty)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/146 "2026-06-05T19:12:13Z")
AFAIK, it’s not in the update today, but the patch notes were released today for the update June 9. Btw, @Malak_Starfire was right. The new stargate connection from Genesis to Caldari space lands in the Border Zone, south of Uedama. Makes sense lore-wise, but sad trombone for the haulers. 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Honzas\_Krutas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/honzas_krutas/32/497382_2.png) [@Honzas\_Krutas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Honzas_Krutas)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/147 "2026-06-05T19:40:10Z")
> [@Christine\_Creed](#): > > I do understand about the concord system. Of course you knew that. You asked only to test me. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/148 "2026-06-05T19:45:31Z")
Boo hoo, ---
**Author:** ![Christine\_Creed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/christine_creed/32/510186_2.png) [@Christine\_Creed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Christine_Creed)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/149 "2026-06-05T19:53:21Z")
> [@Honzas\_Krutas](#): > > Of course you knew that. You asked only to test me. ![bunny-wth](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/d/5/fd506cb076cb782dd60d087fbc09046b360920bc.gif) I have no idea what youre talking about. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/150 "2026-06-05T20:16:51Z")
The route from Amarr to Jita is shorter by going through a lot of .5 systems in Genesis, even without the detour from Gheth, the trade route would have shifted anyways. ---
**Author:** ![Pure\_Capitalist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pure_capitalist/32/502764_2.png) [@Pure\_Capitalist](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pure_Capitalist)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/151 "2026-06-05T21:20:52Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > the trade route would have shifted I got this message when leaving Manifest through the Yulai gate. Do you know if once the expansion goes hot if that gate will send everyone to a random system? I jumped right into Yulai without issue. ![Eve Exordium Shipcaster](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/9/4/194fb519e8c4dac8d3f6e91d9646b95a3d5eedae.png) ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/152 "2026-06-05T21:23:06Z")
That 3rd line is meant for the shipcasters and not for the Manifest/Yulai exit. ---
**Author:** ![Hatch\_Nasty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hatch_nasty/32/512820_2.png) [@Hatch\_Nasty](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hatch_Nasty)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/153 "2026-06-05T21:24:52Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > The route from Amarr to Jita is shorter by going through a lot of .5 systems in Genesis That’s the shorter, 34-jump route. There is also a slightly longer 39-jump route with only one 0.5 system (Uedama) and four 0.6. (Note: This is subject to error. I’m having to do a lot of manual pathfinding since neither dotlan nor the in-game map is updated yet.) | Route 1 | Route 2 | | --- | --- | | Amarr 0.9 | Amarr 0.9 | | Sarum Prime 0.9 | Hedion 0.9 | | Hama 0.8 | Boranai 0.9 | | Bagodan 0.7 | Kador Prime 0.6 | | Barira 0.8 | Khafis 0.6 | | Yuhelia 0.8 | Gonan 0.5 | | Hati 0.8 | Ghesis 0.5 | | **Akes 0.8** | Aband 0.5 | | **Mehatoor 0.7** | Munory 0.5 | | Eredan 0.7 | Zimse 0.5 | | Lisudeh 0.8 | Nidupad 0.5 | | Lashesih 0.8 | **Jakri 0.5** | | Sasta 0.8 | **Rayeret 0.5** | | Jark 0.8 | Hirizan 0.5 | | Odatrik 0.8 | Kobam 0.5 | | Rens 0.9 | Gergish 0.6 | | Frarn 0.8 | Madomi 0.6 | | Meirakulf 0.9 | Doza 0.6 | | Ryddinjorn 0.9 | Heorah 0.5 | | Leurtmar 0.9 | Nasreri 0.5 | | Illuin 0.9 | **Bania 0.5** | | Hjortur 0.9 | **Kemerk 0.8** | | Evettullur 0.8 | Manarq 0.8 | | Tratokard 0.6 | Tar 0.8 | | Gedugaud 0.7 | **Pakhshi 0.8** | | Josekorn 0.6 | **Kassigainen 0.9** | | Nifflung 0.8 | Hatakani 0.9 | | Hakeri 0.7 | Sivala 0.6 | | Irgrus 0.7 | Uedama 0.5 | | **Pakhshi 0.8** | Haatomo 0.6 | | **Kassigainen 0.9** | Suroken 0.7 | | Hatakani 0.9 | Kusomonmon 0.8 | | Sivala 0.6 | Urlen 0.9 | | Uedama 0.5 | Perimeter 0.9 | | Haatomo 0.6 | Jita 0.9 | | Suroken 0.7 | | | Kusomonmon 0.8 | | | Urlen 0.9 | | | Perimeter 0.9 | | | Jita 0.9 | | EDIT: Missed one new link. Same distance but safer. EDIT 2: Bolded the new links. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2026, 12:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/154 "2026-06-06T00:55:22Z")
> [@Pure\_Capitalist](#): > > don’t even get me started on WiS That horse has been beaten so many times it has been reduced to atoms. Walking in stations is not coming back. Ever. EVE is ships in space, not playing Ken and Barbie dress up in stations… ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2026, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/155 "2026-06-06T01:02:02Z")
I did like the Dust idea. Meh… ---
**Author:** ![Pure\_Capitalist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pure_capitalist/32/502764_2.png) [@Pure\_Capitalist](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pure_Capitalist)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2026, 1:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/156 "2026-06-06T01:16:24Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > Walking in stations is not coming back. Ever. Wanna bet? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2026, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/157 "2026-06-06T01:23:52Z")
Absolutely. First of all, WIS wasn’t even created for EVE. It was a technology testbed for another game they were working on at the time. Second, an internal audit showed that less than 10% of players even made use of the Captain’s Quarters, thus it was removed… ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2026, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/158 "2026-06-06T01:25:32Z")
You can keep beating that horse down to the quantum level if you like, but it’s not coming back… ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2026, 3:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/159 "2026-06-06T03:38:36Z")
I’d only vote for WiS if we can have Fedo fighting and bet on it. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2026, 7:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/160 "2026-06-06T07:28:51Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > Even when it wasn’t 40 jumps from Amarr to Jita, you still had to go through Niarja, another well-known ganker choke point… Trig invasions gameplay had the right idea to shuffle the common trade routes and potentially impact static trade hubs. Alas, devs chickened out on it … as always. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2026, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/161 "2026-06-06T08:44:43Z")
Maybe one of the future Caldari military campaigns can be to change the security in Uedama to 0.6. ---
**Author:** ![Lucy\_Alfrir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucy_alfrir/32/382506_2.png) [@Lucy\_Alfrir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucy_Alfrir)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2026, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589/162 "2026-06-06T10:22:06Z")
I always wanted it to be a bar brawl beat-em-up. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/waste-of-time/512589.md?page=9)