# We demand a Zero Tolerance Policy for malicious rookie scammers **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 3, 2019, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276 "2019-12-03T08:52:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276/41 "2019-12-03T16:56:04Z")
You can shoot anybody you want. I do it all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276/42 "2019-12-03T16:57:17Z")
Sure. But wardecs are just easier. Its just a shame we cant simply wardec and kill them all in one easy blow. ---
**Author:** ![Malachite\_Cane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malachite_cane/32/172396_2.png) [@Malachite\_Cane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malachite_Cane)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276/43 "2019-12-03T17:06:59Z")
From the top of my head: Infiltrate him and make people leave, make drama show better alternative. start ganking em Economical Warfare Setup a better option corporation Call him out Bump and disrupt mining ops. Put up posters about him. There are so much more then to whine on the forums. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276/44 "2019-12-03T17:25:54Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Don’t prevent drama please. It’ the blood of Eve. lol - you have a point. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276/45 "2019-12-03T17:57:30Z")
> [@Title](#): > > I demand LOL! Entitled much? ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276/46 "2019-12-03T19:47:30Z")
I’m all for tricking someone into an ambush and that sort of thing but I have always felt like the pure scams that have nothing to do with EVE or combat cheapen the game. I feel like I should be wearing rubber gloves when I go to Jita. ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276/47 "2019-12-03T20:02:14Z")
Thing is, this guy is apparently scamming newbies, which is likely to put them off the game since they haven’t had much chance to do anything yet. The general idea seems to be that this is bad for the game, and I can definitely see the logic there. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276/48 "2019-12-03T21:10:55Z")
> [@Malachite\_Cane](#): > > then than. > [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > LOL! Entitled much? I’m not you. I’ve changed it to “We”. Is your little, fragile ego happy with this? > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Scams are allowed in EVE. If you don’t like his corporation, then go to war with it - stop expecting someone else to fight your battle for you. You’re completely missing the point, which I completely understand, because you don’t really care much anyway. The point is that this is just one guy we know about. We also know that CCP apparently does nothing to stop people like him. Naari isn’t the only one and we can’t deal with them all by ourselves, because we don’t even know who they are. This is not just about him. He needs to go, absolutely, but it needs to be sure he’s not only staying out, but that he and likeminded people can get caught. > [@Valiran\_Teleros](#): > > The general idea seems to be that this is bad for the game, and I can definitely see the logic there. Of course it’s bad. There’s a significant difference between suicide ganking a new player, or scamming him in Jita, and abusing his trust. They trust their CEO and thus give him ISK they either worked for or even bought via real money, which is the actual kicker here. Of course it needs to be pointed out specifically, because the people around here can’t think that far. 🙄 “So what’s the difference between him buying a character and a ship for a few hundred bucks, heading to lowsec and losing it in minutes and getting robbed by this asshole?” The difference is that the person who put his ISK into his CEO’s hands trusted him with it … … and that people will start talking about how EVE ONLINE players rob people of their money … … because there’s no reason to assume he didn’t convince people to buy PLEX for ISK. “But it’s good when people buy PLEX from CCP.” For the first and last time. Congratulations. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276/49 "2019-12-03T21:30:01Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > I’ve changed it to “We”. So now you claim to speak for everyone, ego boy? 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276/50 "2019-12-03T21:32:04Z")
Not sure how this is any different than ganking in high sec, or joining a corp that has friendly fire on and shoots you, or a corp that over-taxes you, or the corps that tell you to pack up your stuff and meet them at system X while someone is waiting to gank them on the way. Or scams, or awoxers, or spies, or infiltrators. Heck, EVE makes _promotional videos_ about taking revenge by infiltrating a corp and betraying their trust. [EVE: Causality](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGplrpWvz0I) While I would love to see Duros and Naari and some of the other deluded riffraff muzzled more or less permanently, I can’t really see how this is separate from all the other scams, schemes and betrayals that are allowed, even encouraged in EVE. You either want a harsh and dark universe and accept that you are going to lose _a lot_ of players because of that, or you design your game differently. You can’t really say “Yeah I want harsh and dark, I just don’t want this one guy doing this one thing that’s pretty much the same as everyone else is doing.” ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276/51 "2019-12-03T23:59:41Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > You either want a harsh and dark universe and accept that you are going to lose _a lot_ of players because of that, or you design your game differently. You can’t really say “Yeah I want harsh and dark, I just don’t want this one guy doing this one thing that’s pretty much the same as everyone else is doing.” We like our newbies, the non-idiot ones anyway. Players who could and should know better are fair game, true few day newbies less so. Blasting them to death is a learning moment, if that even happens much to newbies as they’re not specifically targeted apart from crap/newbie gankers. Generally newbies have to do something dumb requiring them to actively agree to it (low sec entry, WH etc etc) in order to get killed. Joining a corp that is actively taking advantage of you is different, they’re joining a corp just like everyone is telling them to and as the corp is full of like minded newbies and/or idiots they’re not exactly going to get good advice or help. TL;DR being shot in the face as a newbie is less bad than being tricked into a newbie corp trap and taken advantage of while being held back by that same corp. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276/52 "2019-12-04T00:01:03Z")
> [@Theron\_Larkis](#): > > Back when smaller scale wardecs were actually feasible we could take care of newbie traps like that so it wouldn’t get out of hand. Indeed. I’ve been part of decs that have liberated and absorbed players from dumb/abusive leadership. Player agency. @Solstice_Projekt I feel the same way about this as i did about the guy that was spamming duelling requests in noob systems and killing noobs just a few minutes old. Technically it’s not against the rules. But sometimes things like exploiting new players should be looked at as an isolated case rather than one-rule-fits-all. I’d be in favour of nuking naari or, even better, throwing him to the wolves (the players). ---
**Author:** ![Frege\_Descartes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frege_descartes/32/247951_2.png) [@Frege\_Descartes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frege_Descartes)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 1:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276/53 "2019-12-04T01:09:07Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > And because I’m an idiot You guys are on a roll! 🧻 ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 4:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276/54 "2019-12-04T04:13:25Z")
You have a point there. Perhaps this player the OP is bothered by, while I also agree with the OP’s beef and find this an insidious means of noob-pharming, is just part and parcel of colddark™/HTFU Eve? If AWOXing, ganking, inviting noobs then ganking them, or taking their stuff and booting them from corp, and overall scamming are OK, then so must this be. Or to set the precedent of getting rid of that guy, the case is now opened to get rid of the other guys. Perhaps the best way to get back at him is roll some noob characters and throw a monkey wrench up that guys ass somehow - once known as “the Eve way” - rather than this appeal to amicable authority that might set precedent for things that are not going to be popular later on. ---
**Author:** ![Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypr3ss_deteis/32/392947_2.png) [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypr3ss_Deteis)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 4:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276/55 "2019-12-04T04:23:34Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > > I’ve changed it to “We”. > > So now you claim to speak for everyone, ego boy? Since when did ‘we’ = ‘everyone’ ? What’s that, never, oh ok then, carry on 😑 Regards, Cypr3ss. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276/56 "2019-12-04T08:44:16Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > So now you claim to speak for everyone, ego boy? It is always possible to speak for everyone who agrees with something. It’s only those who disagree who somehow feel like they’re counting as well. Or those who have little, fragile egos like yourself, projecting it onto others. Keep posting, I’ll just ignore you again. As long as you feel better afterwards, because whatever I cause in you apparently needs to get out of your system, then I don’t really mind. I’d say “Enjoy!” but I know you don’t. You’re bringing this onto yourself. vOv Regarding other posters … … does it not surprise me at all when certain people don’t understand “trust”. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 8:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276/57 "2019-12-04T08:48:15Z")
> [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > Perhaps the best way to get back at him is roll some noob characters and throw a monkey wrench up that guys ass somehow - once known as “the Eve way” - rather than this appeal to amicable authority that might set precedent for things that are not going to be popular later on. You speak my language. In the past I’ve just wardecced people. I can’t do that anymore, unless they have structures _in their corp_. It was super effective and fair, at least in the sense that someone who bit off more than he could chew learned to keep his mouth a tiny bit more closed. Nowadays suicide ganking is the only option left against those who feel like strong men while hiding behind CONCORD and when you do that, CCP throws KillRights against you, a 15min timeout and a loss of security status. Yay, so much better nowadays. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276/58 "2019-12-04T09:55:02Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > So now you claim to speak for everyone, ego boy? You’re an idiot. We doesn’t equal everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Malachite\_Cane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malachite_cane/32/172396_2.png) [@Malachite\_Cane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malachite_Cane)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276/59 "2019-12-04T10:08:11Z")
Yea its easy to correct grammar and whine on the forums instead of log in and do something about it. ---
**Author:** ![Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manweru_cemenotar/32/230368_2.png) [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manweru_Cemenotar)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276/60 "2019-12-04T11:44:50Z")
random idea, get couple of rats into his corp whom would anchor structures for them to be deccable… or is there some weird restriction in place that I am too poor to know about 😉 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-demand-a-zero-tolerance-policy-for-malicious-rookie-scammers/204276.md?page=4)