# "We need to attract new players and get some isk off the street." "I have an idea....put nullsec difficulty rats in HS." Who thinks this stuff up? :psyccp: **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 1, 2020, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255 "2020-09-01T23:51:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Namaros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namaros/32/461419_2.png) [@Namaros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namaros)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 7:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255/21 "2020-09-02T07:39:01Z")
Its easy to explain. The harder it is to earn ISK in game, the more people are going to buy PLEX and sell it for ISK. ---
**Author:** ![Beun\_d\_Haas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beun_d_haas/32/227357_2.png) [@Beun\_d\_Haas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beun_d_Haas)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255/22 "2020-09-02T07:42:47Z")
> [@Wilan](#): > > I suppose a game that I’ve spent well, let’s see. 6 characters for an average of 10 years each(oldest being day one) , at $15 per month - roughly $10,792.80 on over the last 16 years total, doesn’t earn me the right when the game I have loved for more than a decade isn’t summoning the creative wherewithal to face the actual problem and is throwing the baby out with the bathwater - but I digress. What? ---
**Author:** ![Beun\_d\_Haas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beun_d_haas/32/227357_2.png) [@Beun\_d\_Haas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beun_d_Haas)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255/23 "2020-09-02T07:43:08Z")
> [@Wilan](#): > > I’ll come up with some others Please don’t. > [@Wilan](#): > > Odd, I expected a lot more flaming and instead got a bunch (for the most part) of grown up answers? omg, have we all grown up?! No, you’re just hardly worth the time it takes to shyte on your ■■■■■■■■. I am however the exception to that rule. ---
**Author:** ![Beun\_d\_Haas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beun_d_haas/32/227357_2.png) [@Beun\_d\_Haas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beun_d_Haas)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 7:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255/24 "2020-09-02T07:45:56Z")
> [@Garbage\_Juice1](#): > > I haven’t been playing for very long and it’s getting annoying. So, start playing again. ---
**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 7:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255/25 "2020-09-02T07:57:25Z")
Everyone should come back now so they can be reminded why they quit in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255/26 "2020-09-02T08:41:47Z")
> [@Sugar\_Smacks](#): > > i watched prices literally drop almost in half already of tons of items and CCP just silent as ever acting like all is working well. grrr affordable spaceship stuff grrrr ccp What is it that you’re even complaining about here? There’s nothing inherently bad about prices dropping. It’s not CCP’s job to prevent that from happening, but you’re speaking as if you believe it is? ---
**Author:** ![ExcalibursTemplar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/excaliburstemplar/32/383837_2.png) [@ExcalibursTemplar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ExcalibursTemplar)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 8:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255/27 "2020-09-02T08:46:10Z")
> [@Namaros](#): > > Its easy to explain. The harder it is to earn ISK in game, the more people are going to buy PLEX and sell it for ISK. Sadly it’s starting to look that way to me to. I just don’t get CCP thinking on this. Eve is a highly complex subscription based game there is nothing like it. It’s not some cheap arse free to play game. That you can throw out there every 3 or 4 years and milk the player base for everything they’ve got. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255/28 "2020-09-02T08:51:59Z")
I have to say, yesterday my inner Wilan was whinin so much about Quantum Cores it came out my mouth and I raged. Today Im going to reorganise to be stationless. Do I care? No, because Ill adapt. ---
**Author:** ![ExcalibursTemplar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/excaliburstemplar/32/383837_2.png) [@ExcalibursTemplar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ExcalibursTemplar)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255/29 "2020-09-02T08:52:10Z")
> [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > There’s nothing inherently bad about prices dropping. The problem is prices crashing on the market affect every profession in game that doesn’t give ISK as a direct reward. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255/30 "2020-09-02T11:17:28Z")
While you make some very good points (I, too, live on the wrong side of Niarja, and the police on most of those 45 jumps have a dead-or-alive warrant out for me, and switching accounts to get some very simple stuff done is not gameplay), two remarks: 1. trigs (or edencom) are worse than nullsec rats and 2. how do you get to the “problem” of scamming, it seems unrelated ? We don’t know what the final outcome of the trig invasion space opera will be, something will change for sure. Losing the single hisec connection between two allied empires can’t be an endpoint, can it ? Hmm, food for thought. ---
**Author:** ![Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiger_space_thedark/32/373728_2.png) [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiger_space_Thedark)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255/31 "2020-09-02T12:00:50Z")
You lost my attention when you said “ccp ruin high sec” little edencom… Protect your system or find a new home ---
**Author:** ![Wilan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wilan/32/227488_2.png) [@Wilan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wilan)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255/32 "2020-09-02T13:30:57Z")
lol, actually there was no loss. It was on an alt that was in a Stratios but I crashed the gate and made it 😉 this was funny though. ---
**Author:** ![Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/circumstantial_evidence/32/399551_2.png) [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Circumstantial_Evidence)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255/33 "2020-09-02T15:30:30Z")
Some are responding to this thread with their idea of what ‘winning eve’ is. If you have the time or interest, CSM @Mike_Azariah covered maybe a dozen ways of [Winning in Eve](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfHg126bhag) - this is a talk he presented at Eve Vegas 2017. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255/35 "2020-09-02T16:15:08Z")
> [@Wilan](#): > > - a new isk block - get rid of scamming, completely. It’s only done by veteran players, typically at the expense of newbies, invites an unsavory aspect to the game, ruins local, and only makes the rich richer. Perhaps when the game was in it’s infancy it was a dog eat dog world and could be tolerated as adding a fear of poverty to the game. Now that EVE (at least a modicum attempt) has gone mainstream this sort of behavior, especially with a rampant inflation problem has no place here and hasn’t for years. There is zero upside to it outside of the 1%'ers. > > I’ll come up with some others, but that would be a good start. Bad start. Getting rid of scamming? Good luck with that! What I love about EVE is that scamming is an integrated part of the ruthless universe here. In other games, where scamming is ‘against the rules’, you will still see an equal amount of scams, except now they’re prohibited. And thus the scammers are even more annoying because they’re using throwaway accounts anyway. No, you won’t get rid of scamming in EVE. Prohibiting it won’t stop the scams. Just rely on your common sense not to fall for them yourself and take EVE scams as they are: part of the flavour of this game. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255/37 "2020-09-02T20:28:44Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Getting rid of scamming? Good luck with that! It is a lot more probable than getting rid of gambling in game, or getting rid of push towards making game as inconvinient for everyone as its possible, in hope that players will spend more $ for convenience. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255/38 "2020-09-03T09:48:01Z")
> [@Wilan](#): > > Odd, I expected a lot more flaming and instead got a bunch (for the most part) of grown up answers? omg, have we all grown up?! [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/4/94bd9278f3578b8d9c78fb44dd01e8fcc247739f.gif "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/F6xiTh7) ---
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255/39 "2020-09-03T14:10:21Z")
> [@Wilan](#): > > So the constructive part Why is your “constructive” part about fighting scammers when your whole post was about the Trig invasion? I’m kinda lost. > [@Wilan](#): > > Now that EVE (at least a modicum attempt) has gone mainstream this sort of behavior, especially with a rampant inflation problem has no place here EvE hasn’t got mainstream afaik. And if it has, _despite_ those things you are crying about, it means that the game has success as it is and don’t need to change the game design for no apparent reason. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255/40 "2020-09-03T15:00:55Z")
Yeah OK, tell that to CCP/PA. ---
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255/41 "2020-09-03T19:13:53Z")
Tell what? That their game is not mainstream, at least not yet? I mean if they think it is, by any mean they are completelly lost and have no clue what the frequentation of an actual mainstream game is. But don’t worry, I’m pretty sure they know. ---
**Author:** ![Noori\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noori_naarian/32/261285_2.png) [@Noori\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noori_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255/42 "2020-09-08T11:15:00Z")
> [@Nillith\_Astari](#): > > Yea I dont see an exodus either but the bigger problem might just be stagnation, even 2 years ago I kept hearing of the importance of new blood new pilots for the game Games cannot be stagnant. Eve is suffering massive population losses, and ccp is changing the online numbers to make it look stagnant, but in truth is not.Do you doubt that? Then explain why it seems that as each day go’s on, there is less and less people. Eventually people will realize this claim is truth. On another note, around 35-40% of the current online is alts. That means the numbers are a whole lot lower then people think even if the above is now true. Most importantly the game needs to change (ignoring all of the above) simply for the same of removing it from stagnation. So no matter how you look at it, the high sec ganking, nullsec catering needs to go, for the future of eve. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-need-to-attract-new-players-and-get-some-isk-off-the-street-i-have-an-idea-put-nullsec-difficulty-rats-in-hs-who-thinks-this-stuff-up/264255.md?page=3)