# We ought not abandon the Yulai accords **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [July 11, 2022, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-ought-not-abandon-the-yulai-accords/369832 "2022-07-11T18:08:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-ought-not-abandon-the-yulai-accords/369832/43 "2022-09-23T00:13:42Z")
Why would I? Why don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Tresan\_Bespin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tresan_bespin/32/335441_2.png) [@Tresan\_Bespin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tresan_Bespin)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 8:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-ought-not-abandon-the-yulai-accords/369832/44 "2022-09-23T08:28:59Z")
Don’t bother. The Amarr need to develop a basic idea of morality before they understand that breeding facilities should never have been a ‘thing’. They bare their fangs all high and mighty, but talk is cheap in the vast astral sea. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-ought-not-abandon-the-yulai-accords/369832/45 "2022-09-23T11:59:20Z")
They should have never been a thing. Many of my countrymen find them repugnant and morally bankrupt. To me, they are indicators of the rot of greed that has spread within the institution of slavery ever since the Minmatar were conquered. I am ashamed at their existence and am resolved to doing everything in my power to correct the practice. ---
**Author:** ![Tresan\_Bespin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tresan_bespin/32/335441_2.png) [@Tresan\_Bespin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tresan_Bespin)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-ought-not-abandon-the-yulai-accords/369832/46 "2022-09-23T13:55:58Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > To me, they are indicators of the rot of greed that has spread within the institution of slavery ever since the Minmatar were conquered. You’re so eager to point out that somehow enslaving my people was the beginning of the ruination of slavery, as though slavery is a pure concept that was corrupted when we came into the picture. The truth is, your Empire has always been dirty. Forcefully breeding our women is just another in a laundry list of crimes against humanity. > [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > […] and [I] am resolved to doing everything in my power to correct the practice. What are you _doing_, though? This statement is good for PR, but damned if it isn’t vague. Not every problem has a simple solution, like ‘need labour? get slaves’. Your people’s facilities are taking human beings and draining them of a future. You can’t fix r\*pe. You can’t undo it. Even if you truly want to do good, the evil has already been done. There can be no curing the rot- but you can cauterize it instead. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-ought-not-abandon-the-yulai-accords/369832/47 "2022-09-23T14:22:44Z")
> [@Tresan\_Bespin](#): > > You’re so eager to point out that somehow enslaving my people was the beginning of the ruination of slavery, as though slavery is a pure concept that was corrupted when we came into the picture. The truth is, your Empire has always been dirty. Forcefully breeding our women is just another in a laundry list of crimes against humanity. The Empire has had many moments of failure in its history, that much is true; many more, in fact, than most Amarr are willing to admit. This will need to be the first thing to change. “For it is only in the garden of a just and truthful society, watered by well measured faith, that we may cultivate the spirit of the people.” Meanwhile, successes with the Udorian and Ni-Kunni peoples need to be revisited to see where we have gone wrong with yours. > [@Tresan\_Bespin](#): > > What are you _doing_, though? This statement is good for PR, but damned if it isn’t vague. Not every problem has a simple solution And vague is all you will get for now. I do believe the point of this thread is to point out that the treaties that make up the Yulai Accords leave the answers to those questions up to Amarrians. You are entitled to your opinions, but nothing more. As for no simple solutions, I am all too aware, which is why things must be ready before they might begin. Progress has already been made, however. Corruption is already being continually excised from the body of Amarr, and we are on a better path than before. I pray soon this important work will be expanded to other portions of our society. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-ought-not-abandon-the-yulai-accords/369832/48 "2022-09-23T14:37:38Z")
Remember Caldari Prime. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-ought-not-abandon-the-yulai-accords/369832/49 "2022-09-23T14:39:12Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > resolved to doing everything in my power to correct the practice Which is what, exactly? You’ve said many times that you’ll be obedient above all else. When someone in power tells you ‘shut up about morality and keep getting me more slaves’, you don’t offer any objections about ‘greed’. You rush off to secure more slaves. You don’t even make a peep about ‘hey, by the by, can we try to not put these new slaves into that same rotten and corrupt framework?’ You know as well as I do that a percentage of the newly-enslaved women and girls get siphoned into those things. The ‘institution of slavery’ _is_ the rot. It is _purely_ a construction of greed. You Amarr like to trot out the same half-dozen snippets of scripture to justify it based on ‘everyone has to serve someone above them in the hierarchy up to god’, but obedience and service _do not require **ownership** _. The very concept of _slavery_ is one dependent on _greed_, Aldrith. The same concept of ‘they need to learn to serve’ could be enacted through a legal framework that makes them prisoners, or wards, or any other framing that does not reduce them to _property_. The _only_ reason to make one person into another’s explicit property _is_ greed. ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nauplius/32/403015_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-ought-not-abandon-the-yulai-accords/369832/50 "2022-09-23T14:50:45Z")
We need _more_ slave breeding facilities, not fewer. Vitoc, TCMCs, and advancements in glaive collar technology have greatly increased our potential for slave control. Yet our slave population languishes at around 50% of our total population. That ought to be much higher — 90%, 95%, maybe even 99%. Every Amarrian must sit atop of giant (figurative) pyramid of slave flesh. Were the Throne not Vacant, we would be Reclaiming by force (the only real Reclaiming) and putting all the cluster in chains. But the Reclaiming has stopped, and until it is restarted, quite different means are necessary to increase our slave population., ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 12:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-ought-not-abandon-the-yulai-accords/369832/51 "2022-09-24T00:42:45Z")
Why not just adopt the tube child program? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2022, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-ought-not-abandon-the-yulai-accords/369832/52 "2022-12-23T00:43:18Z")
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