# Welcome your new CSM **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** official\ **Created:** [June 21, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137 "2021-06-21T15:09:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 11:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/67 "2021-06-21T23:47:06Z")
I have exactly the same problem, thanks for sticking someone else instead of me. Holy cow I love cannon fodder! ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/68 "2021-06-21T23:49:44Z")
> [@Moriar\_theChosen](#): > > Also, CSM is not the only way to influence the community and the devs. Please educate me on how the community gets the attention of the Devs if not through their CSM? What type of double riddle speak is that? ---
**Author:** ![Jhousetlin\_Zamayid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jhousetlin_zamayid/32/276098_2.png) [@Jhousetlin\_Zamayid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jhousetlin_Zamayid)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 12:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/69 "2021-06-22T00:16:44Z")
I’m so glad 70% of the CSM is from NullSec. ---
**Author:** ![Moriar\_theChosen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moriar_thechosen/32/368191_2.png) [@Moriar\_theChosen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moriar_theChosen)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/70 "2021-06-22T00:20:39Z")
Procurer in lowsec is always bait. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 12:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/71 "2021-06-22T00:40:33Z")
This theoretically wouldn’t work. We all know Mike is 90% hisec. But should a month or so into being csm, he moves to null. So now what. Now he represents null based on where he lives. ---
**Author:** ![Erwin\_Kroner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erwin_kroner/32/378866_2.png) [@Erwin\_Kroner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erwin_Kroner)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/72 "2021-06-22T00:49:48Z")
Considering you can actually _buy_ (or PLEX) additional votes, this shouldn’t be a surprise to me. Still painful to look at, though. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Kildare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_kildare/32/416948_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Kildare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Kildare)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/73 "2021-06-22T01:35:37Z")
> [@Jenn\_aSide](#): > > It should also be noted that none of the people here who complain about the csm election every time can be found anywhere on the ballot… I’d bet my bottom isk that almost none of them voted either. > > In game as in out, people would rather complain afterwards rather than campaign . dunno, but there’s some RP/HS/Pochven/WH/NPSI types I voted for this year and have voted for in previous years and very few of those types get in because usually it’s 8 NS: 1 LS: 1 HS/industry/community/3rd party software dev type ratio. I’ve voted all years but 1 since I started playing EVE 8 years ago. I’m pretty sure the people who’ve been running and losing all these years trying to represent the underserved communities also vote. (yes, I know there are examples of IRL candidates for political office who then admit they don’t vote… but it somehow seems far less likely in EVE, for the most part). ---
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Kildare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_kildare/32/416948_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Kildare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Kildare)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/74 "2021-06-22T01:37:38Z")
> [@Ianov\_Saraban](#): > > Yep…nulbloc influence…scarcity, super nerfs, HAC nerfs, nullification, massive mining changes. You think nulbloc influencers had anything to do with that? If they had actual influence none of those changes would have happened or, at the very least, they would have been implemented in a more adoptable way. CCP never said they do the bidding of every CSM all the time (that would be impossible, for one thing, even in our nullsec-heavy CSMs, there isn’t unity of purpose amongst all the members). So saying “oh hey, this nerf that affects null would never have happened if nullsec CSMs were evil”… come on, they want the OTHER teams to not be able to use that thing that null relies on, obviously. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jenn\_aSide](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jenn_aside/32/384682_2.png) [@Jenn\_aSide](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jenn_aSide)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/75 "2021-06-22T02:00:39Z")
You hit on something. Null wins, and will win in ANY scenario/voting system for the same reason special interests dominate IRL. Null players are organized and cooperative because null space requires organization in ways the rest of New Eden doesn’t. Low sec lets you get by with being solo or in a small group and you end up with lots of loner and small time pirate type personalities. Ditto WH space. High sec is so easy to live solo in that grouping up is rare(r), so you get lots of solitary “single player” types there. But null requires largish, cohesive groups of people that can set aside personal needs (to an extent lol) to contribute to a group goal. So even though overall null players are a smaller group, that ability to cooperate gives us an edge in ANY situation where presenting a united front in required. Which is why all that talk of changing voting systems and proportional representation ideas will fail regardless of what anyone tries. Non-null players (in general) won’t ever be able to match the cohesiveness of null groups. It’s just not part of their personalities. ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 2:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/76 "2021-06-22T02:37:39Z")
As usual. Null representatives. Atleast We still have mike. ---
**Author:** ![Jenna\_Corinth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jenna_corinth/32/391033_2.png) [@Jenna\_Corinth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jenna_Corinth)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/77 "2021-06-22T02:38:21Z")
It has a much better chance of fairer representation than what exists today yes? ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 2:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/78 "2021-06-22T02:41:25Z")
The CSM should have 4 categories. Candidates for null, low, high securities and wormholes. Voters will vote whom they want to represent each category. 3 representatives on each category. Atleast pretend that there is a real democracy under CCP’s dictatorship. ---
**Author:** ![Jenn\_aSide](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jenn_aside/32/384682_2.png) [@Jenn\_aSide](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jenn_aSide)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 3:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/79 "2021-06-22T03:14:12Z")
You know that lots of people play in lots of different places right? How do you handle to person who mostly plays in high sec but has a null sec alliance alt? or the wormhole guy who has a FW alt? The results wouldn’t change either. You would have null sec groups giving “incentives” to (for example) high sec players to vote for their slate of "approved "high sec candidates. CCP has already changed the voting system a few times. Nothing changed, because it’s not about the voting system, it’s about the voters… ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 3:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/80 "2021-06-22T03:16:43Z")
It’s not where play. They can choose what of those space they want to represent. Voters should vote 3 candidates on each category But yeah politics is still politics ingame or outside the game. They will represent thier personal agendas. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 3:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/81 "2021-06-22T03:24:52Z")
not really no. Where they live doesn’t matter. As the other Jenn mentioned, those who you think you are voting for high or Wh may be low or null… so how would that be fair for hisec or wormhole when people they would vote for, for their respective areas of space, pack up and move to where they really do live? picking candidates based on where they live, would never work… because half the damn nullblock is in hisec anyway with alts for trading or in code. or safety. ---
**Author:** ![Jenna\_Corinth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jenna_corinth/32/391033_2.png) [@Jenna\_Corinth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jenna_Corinth)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 3:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/82 "2021-06-22T03:26:38Z")
Sounds to me like you want to safeguard the status quo. I wonder whose interests that protects. Food for thought. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 3:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/83 "2021-06-22T03:27:39Z")
i raise standings for other people through USIA, why do i care what happens in null when i’m in hisec… and no, i don’t have an alt floating around in null… hate that place. so again how would you expect voting for where someone lives would work, when they could easily pretend they live in those areas… are you going to enforce that they stay in that part of space and not allowed to leave? ---
**Author:** ![Spaceherpes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spaceherpes/32/278251_2.png) [@Spaceherpes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spaceherpes)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 3:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/84 "2021-06-22T03:53:17Z")
So all null and nobody to stand up for the other areas of the game. Looks like we have a bunch of patches looking out for Null sec and the rest just get whatever CCP wants to patch through. Wormholers get passed up again. This isn’t a fair representation of your game’s population. ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 4:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/85 "2021-06-22T04:13:29Z")
> [@Spaceherpes](#): > > So all null and nobody to stand up for the other areas of the game. We need to just deal with it Null are experts on politics and deplomacy. Unlike the three space that ruled by hunters and gankers who are experts at thier gameplay but sucks on everything else in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 4:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/86 "2021-06-22T04:29:06Z")
Wow I got a shock when I first saw the popup message at the top right next to my avatar. I thought it read; “_Welcome, You’re the new CSM_” 🥶 /s Then came back to earth and reread the thread title again releasing that the CSM name is revealed somewhere inside the thread post. So yeah **happy welcome new CSM** , wish you well and hope your day is going great on this fine New Eden day. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137.md?page=5)