# Welcome your new CSM **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** official\ **Created:** [June 21, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137 "2021-06-21T15:09:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Sally](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_sally/32/268113_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Sally](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Sally)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/107 "2021-06-22T12:51:38Z")
This message is approved by the Association of Players United. > [@Dav\_Varan](#): > > Next year I say we scrub “Democracy” and make the candidates fight it out in 1v1 proving grounds > Then you can have game advice from Gladiators rather than Politicians. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Sally](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_sally/32/268113_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Sally](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Sally)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/108 "2021-06-22T12:53:19Z")
This message has been approved by the Association of Players United. > [@Cade102](#): > > ![who gives a ■■■■](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/e/a/7ea2eabb6afe716e8d2571d33bc9544757bdf3be.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Sally](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_sally/32/268113_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Sally](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Sally)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/109 "2021-06-22T12:56:52Z")
> [@CCP\_Swift](#): > > We regularly monitor the EVE Online forums and various other EVE Media platforms. Yeah I monitor those too. And, like you, doesn’t mean I’ll do anything about it. And WOW!! An EVE Online Dev in the EVE Online forum! Unheard of. No wonder it’s raining cats and dogs here. ---
**Author:** ![Emka\_Ottiett](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emka_ottiett/32/445914_2.png) [@Emka\_Ottiett](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emka_Ottiett)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/110 "2021-06-22T13:25:47Z")
Start with allowing each physical player to vote only once, regardless of how many hundred skill-farm accounts a player may have. Only one vote allowed, from each physical player, would dramatically change the csm in a healthy direction. For anyone trying to bypass the one-vote-per-player, drop a permaban into your toolbox, it may come handy. Also block anyone using VPN from voting as it would open up for anonymous votes. Always require an IP geo-matching the country the player reside in. Match it to both mail address and credit card data as well, to prevent double-voting as much as possible. Also, move the election procedure away from the forums. Most players never visit the forums. Move it into the game client instead, where everyone see it. Maybe even connect a reward to the election, like 100k SP for contributing to a more democratic csm. It’s fine if candidate cards in the game client can link to a candidates full campaign on the forums, it may even increase player activity on the forums, but absolutely move the election procedure away from the forums. If players had trust in the system being democratic, which it is currently NOT, then more players would likely vote, and not mainly the null characters who tend to have far more accounts each than other players have. Also scrap the extremely confusing and anti-democratic “STV” system, it’s only there to boost the null candidates even more as they can funnel all their votes into their main candidate and win through that. All votes should stay with the candidate, and when the candidate is out, all those votes are out too. ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/111 "2021-06-22T13:56:26Z")
One time I get a CCP reply in my 15 years and its to prove me wrong. lol got it. ---
**Author:** ![Aahz\_If](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aahz_if/32/265760_2.png) [@Aahz\_If](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aahz_If)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/112 "2021-06-22T14:00:18Z")
Lol!!! ---
**Author:** ![Han\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/han_zealot/32/300893_2.png) [@Han\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Han_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/113 "2021-06-22T14:01:51Z")
> [@Rekindle](#): > > One time I get a CCP reply in my 15 years and its to prove me wrong. > > lol got it. Remember, DvP 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Nomistrav](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nomistrav/32/278296_2.png) [@Nomistrav](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nomistrav)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/114 "2021-06-22T14:04:25Z")
I had to get elected to the CPM (Dust 514 equivalent of the CSM), fly out to Iceland for Fanfest 2014, and speak with a community manager in person to get a forum post with my real life address/threatening content removed from the site. The day the forums actually mean _anything_ as far as a representative voice will be the day I eat my shoe. ---
**Author:** ![Han\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/han_zealot/32/300893_2.png) [@Han\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Han_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/115 "2021-06-22T14:06:24Z")
> [@Emka\_Ottiett](#): > > Match it to both mail address and credit card data as well, to prevent double-voting as much as possible I agree with your post except for the credit card. Not every player has a credit card. I don’t have one, for example. And not everyone orders stuff from CCP website so even going by last 4 digit of bank account isn’t good either. I think voting should happen through a phone app. One person, one phone-linked app. ---
**Author:** ![BlackMiddleMan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blackmiddleman/32/278271_2.png) [@BlackMiddleMan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BlackMiddleMan)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/116 "2021-06-22T14:16:42Z")
[https://www.skil.su/главная-страница](https://www.skil.su/%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F-%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0) ---
**Author:** ![Minted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minted/32/448009_2.png) [@Minted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Minted)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/117 "2021-06-22T14:45:38Z")
I wonder if this is the year that the CSM will finally “fix lowsec” (whatever they _think_ that means) after what feels like an eternity of promising to do so while generally being a sad, irrelevant and disposable waste of everyone’s time. I really do. Genuinely. Truly. It’s at the very top of my List of Wonderings. Trust me. I’m giving you the straight goods. I’m being honest. 100% honest. I swear. You all believe me, right? Right? ![Jack](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/9/5/d95ed3e73991939baa2a9a1bcd50fae5211955f5.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Hun\_Tra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hun_tra/32/511052_2.png) [@Hun\_Tra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hun_Tra)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/118 "2021-06-22T14:50:37Z")
RIP lowsec. ---
**Author:** ![Dior\_Ambraelle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dior_ambraelle/32/393685_2.png) [@Dior\_Ambraelle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dior_Ambraelle)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/119 "2021-06-22T15:29:31Z")
You forget about alt accounts. It doesn’t matter how much you are trying to limit the candidates, in this game it is more than likely for all seats to be taken by null players, directly or indirectly. The CSM is a good idea on paper, but it’s impossible to make it balanced, or even a fair race. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/120 "2021-06-22T15:38:14Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > In an _actual_ democracy, you can’t generate votes out of thin air just by purchasing additional ballots (conveniently offered for $15 a piece through a storefront run by the electoral oversight committee) and filling them in. In an actual democracy, you can pay people to sign up people who aren’t registered to vote, get them absentee ballots, help them fill them out, and send them in. You can provide transportation to get them to the polls on election day if they need it. In some places you can buy food and water and hand it out to people waiting in line. Some places have same day registration, where unregistered people can walk up to the polls the same day as the election, register and vote. Generating votes out of thin air is basic GOTV. Here, you need an account that’s at least two months old at the time of the election, and then you’re requiring Omega accounts (which cost money or plex) as an additional gateway to stopping the “generation of votes out of thin air.” That’s a bigger bloc to voting (and would likely be an illegal poll tax in most democracies) than it is a pathway to increased turnout. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > In an _actual_ democracy, candidates are given equal platforms, and present those platforms by campaigning and competing in debates. And that happened in this election, too. There were multiple opportunities for candidates to debate each other, dozens of shows that had candidates on, and there was nothing stopping candidates from doing videos, commercials or other paid media to get their name ID and support up. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > In an _actual_ democracy, measures are taken to prevent gaming the electoral process through organized bloc-voting in order to maintain a system ruled by a minority of tyrants. Uh…let me explain to you how “political parties” work. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > In an _actual_ democracy, elected officials are obligated to represent the interests of all of their constituents, instead of merely those of the special-interests group fronting their for-profit entity. And yet the claims that elected officials only represent constituents of their political party or ideology are rife. The CSM elections are as democratic as any other elections I’ve participated in. There are obvious slight differences (no one-person-one-vote) and the position itself has no actual power, but to claim that the process is not democratic requires a hell of lot of willful blindness to what democracy is. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/121 "2021-06-22T15:42:07Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’d be great if we were allowed to point out why this isn’t true without Brisc threatening legal action. But yeah, he’s a concrete nullsec candidate. Suitonia and iBeast were both on the goon ballot too. /sigh Because this has ever happened. I don’t even know who you are. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/122 "2021-06-22T15:49:37Z")
I’m super sad Stich didn’t make it in, he would have made a huge difference to the CSM, but still happy Suitonia and Ibeast got in and Brisc as usual who has suffered our harrassment for ages already and still tries his best. Gz to all those that made it in, only 2 from Goons which is a nice change compared to what 5 from last time? And as usually Destiny I’m not surprised to see you still spamming up the forums xD ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/123 "2021-06-22T15:53:14Z")
> [@Hun\_Tra](#): > > RIP lowsec. Brisc said something about lowsec being one of his prio’s this term, suitonia and Ibeast have a lot of experience with lowsec as well. ---
**Author:** ![Grath\_Telkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grath_telkin/32/278234_2.png) [@Grath\_Telkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grath_Telkin)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/124 "2021-06-22T15:53:16Z")
I’m literally unable to contain my chuckling at all the ‘tHiS iSnT HoW dEmOCracY wOrks’. Like lol, what are you talking about, in what world is organizational voting not allowed? ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/125 "2021-06-22T16:04:18Z")
A huge majority of the people I know in low all went for Stich and he came 14th so if more low sec guys actually bothered voting he might have gotten in. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/126 "2021-06-22T16:15:33Z")
> [@Dav\_Varan](#): > > CSM Stats courtesy of zKillboard > > Suitonia 66% Blobber > I Beast 81% Blobber > Gobbins 99% Blobber > Innominate 99% Blobber > Progodlegend 99% Blobber > vily 99% Blobber > Brisc Rubal 100% Blobber > Kenneth Feld 100% Blobber > Merkelchecn 100% Blobber > Mike Azariah 100% Blobber > > So two representative who understand game mechanics and can offer intelligent advise and > eight who only know how to bring more ships. > > Next year I say we scrub “Democracy” and make the candidates fight it out in 1v1 proving grounds > Then you can have game advice from Gladiators rather than Politicians. I have more solo kills in the last week than you do in the last four months. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137.md?page=7)