# Welcome your new CSM **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** official\ **Created:** [June 21, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137 "2021-06-21T15:09:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Jenna\_Parmala](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jenna_parmala/32/201413_2.png) [@Jenna\_Parmala](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jenna_Parmala)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/167 "2021-06-22T23:41:10Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Yes, there are tons of things wrong with lowsec and it’s a huge area that could provide lots of fun and engaging things to keep players interested, but in order to get them to do anything, we’ve got to break through the noise generated from ten thousand other areas and concerns that they’re getting slammed with as well. The problem here is that generally in that time spawn an area will completely die, like almost nobody complains about FW anymore because there are no players left in FW. If you allocate your resources based on the complaints you will slowly reduce your number of playstyles over time. Like it took CCP over a year to fix cap rolling, and they still have not really fixed caps in wormhole space beyond that in that time like the space has become massively more silent because those players left and are not coming back. Like the thing that seems to be the core problem is CCP looks at the metrics to find problems in there game fixes those not realizing that often the damage is done once the come with a fix, most of the time the playstyle is dead beyond believe. Blops dropping again got killed a couple years ago CCP finally looks at it while all the blops hunters left or switch to doing something else like even the best boost to the blops isn’t gonna save that playstyle because nobody that likes it is left. This keeps happening by the time the realize there mistake the area there fixing is basically dead with no good way to save it and there not introducing anything new because there working purely of metrics from existing playstyles, it leads to a feeling that the game is trying to push everyone into the same playstyle the diversity of playstyles used to be a amazing part of the game, today it seems like you either join a power bloc or don’t bother to play at all, > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > The needle does move, it just doesn’t always move in the direction some people want, or in the way they want it. The game has seen considerable changes in the years since I started playing it, lots of new things added, old things changed, and near constant balance tweaks and changes. There is most definitely a “what have you done for me lately” mood in the player base and good changes are quickly accepted and forgotten, while complaints stack up and never seem to go away. I mean the game is still very much pushing farms and fields as a meta game, and it’s awful awful game design, it was when citadels came out and it is today, it forces the players into a grinding fest it completely change the DNA of eve like we all accepted time based skills because eve was that MMO where you didn’t have to grind to keep up. Like it’s one of the biggest mistakes in the core philosophy to make the game about PvE the same PvE mind you people pay money not to have to do, let that sink in the core activity of the game is so awful right now they company can charge money to skip it. But this core mistake isn’t getting address because I suspect you and CCP don’t see this as a bad idea and would ideally make more active income ( mining your PI out of the planet anybody ). ---
**Author:** ![Jenn\_aSide](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jenn_aside/32/384682_2.png) [@Jenn\_aSide](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jenn_aSide)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/169 "2021-06-23T00:49:21Z")
All of what you wrote here ignores the fact that we’ve been through at least FOUR different voting systems already, all with the same results. There is NO voting system that can be made that somehow compensates for the fact that most people will never care enough to vote. Every time someone comes up with some brilliant voting system idea, it takes like 3 seconds to figure out how to game it. We reject voting system ideas because we know that the problem here is PEOPLE not the voting system. You cant fix people… ---
**Author:** ![Jenna\_Corinth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jenna_corinth/32/391033_2.png) [@Jenna\_Corinth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jenna_Corinth)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 12:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/170 "2021-06-23T00:54:48Z")
> [@Jenn\_aSide](#): > > All of what you wrote here ignores the fact that we’ve been through at least FOUR different voting systems already, all with the same results. > > There is NO voting system that can be made that somehow compensates for the fact that most people will never care enough to vote. > > Every time someone comes up with some brilliant voting system idea, it takes like 3 seconds to figure out how to game it. We reject voting system ideas because we know that the problem here is PEOPLE not the voting system. > > You cant fix people… That is a very cynical view of your fellow capsuleer, Jenn. If you look at the glass half full instead, do you feel there might be ways to address things that we can improve? ---
**Author:** ![Jenn\_aSide](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jenn_aside/32/384682_2.png) [@Jenn\_aSide](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jenn_aSide)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 12:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/171 "2021-06-23T00:59:40Z")
That’s just naive thinking. I’ve watched 14 years of the same thing in this community and im supposed to think differently? What you are doing here is the real reason nothing ever changes, here or irl. Because people would rather cling to false ideas rather than accept the true nature , flaws and realities of human beings. What people DO , not what they think or say, is what matters ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/172 "2021-06-23T01:25:49Z")
Removed an offensive post. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/173 "2021-06-23T01:35:44Z")
Correction: removed a post you did not like for a reason that it didn’t match your opinion. It was not offensive and it should be put back where it was. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/174 "2021-06-23T01:37:20Z")
You performed a personal attack on another player. I am enforcing the forum rules, and ask that you follow them. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/175 "2021-06-23T01:42:14Z")
Discussing an in-game political stance of a CFCSM member is now a personal attack? Or is politely asking them to please go away and don’t come back a personal attack? I do not understand canadian customs, so you probably should try to explain what in your warped perspective could possibly be treated as a personal attack in that post? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/176 "2021-06-23T01:43:27Z")
> [@Fartsniffer\_Munba](#): > > then Mike who’s a goon worse than a goon The F is your problem with @Mike_Azariah ?? Cause he gives newbros ships? ---
**Author:** ![Jenna\_Corinth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jenna_corinth/32/391033_2.png) [@Jenna\_Corinth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jenna_Corinth)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 1:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/177 "2021-06-23T01:44:09Z")
> [@Jenn\_aSide](#): > > That’s just naive thinking. I’ve watched 14 years of the same thing in this community and im supposed to think differently? > > What you are doing here is the real reason nothing ever changes, here or irl. Because people would rather cling to false ideas rather than accept the true nature , flaws and realities of human beings. > > What people DO , not what they think or say, is what matters You will miss 100% of the swings not taken. ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/178 "2021-06-23T01:48:56Z")
> [@Jenn\_aSide](#): > > There is NO voting system that can be made that somehow compensates for the fact that most people will never care enough to vote. I would like to see a NOTA option. We don’t know who didn’t vote by _choice_. Won’t change the results but the information is valid. ---
**Author:** ![Fartsniffer\_Munba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fartsniffer_munba/32/248389_2.png) [@Fartsniffer\_Munba](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fartsniffer_Munba)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/179 "2021-06-23T02:24:46Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > The F is your problem with @Mike_Azariah ?? Cause he gives newbros ships? If that’s the only thing you remember about it, than his propaganda is a mass success. I’ve a long grudge list against Mike, with him pushing for, and praising, many many many game-destructive changes, that caused me to quit the game for months, starting from 2013. I tried (and asked Mike himself) to come up with anything that was not destructive that came up with Mike on CSM. There is nothing. Mike is not net-negative, Mike is all-negative, and probably the worst of all CSM members of all CSM history. There was a disaster on every year goon bots elected Mike so far, and Mike was there to praise it. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/180 "2021-06-23T02:38:21Z")
give some examples of what Mike has pushed that “ruined your gameplay” im curious to knw. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 2:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/182 "2021-06-23T02:44:30Z")
> [@Fartsniffer\_Munba](#): > > Odyssey patch Considering they released Odyssey in June, and Mike was elected and started serving in May, you are REEAAALLLLY stretching to blame someone who just started as a CSM for something that has been in the works from CSM 7. ---
**Author:** ![Fartsniffer\_Munba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fartsniffer_munba/32/248389_2.png) [@Fartsniffer\_Munba](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fartsniffer_Munba)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 3:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/183 "2021-06-23T03:04:10Z")
That was the beginning point. It happened on Mike’s watch as “hisec candidate”, yet he refused to condemn, and more, praised those changes, betraying hopes of all but goons who were on the campaign to get hisec nerfed into the ground (that succeeded beyond expectations). Then the ore changes. That was completely on Mike, a whole year on CSM. That’s probably the biggest blow to hisec that was done, completely destroying hisec mining. Numbers alone, it was worse than Removal of Mining from Nullsec that happened recently. Where was Mike? Praising it as usual, in a goon chorus. Well, not the first time, not the last time, the only question is why goons and other botters decided they need him again? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 3:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/184 "2021-06-23T03:08:14Z")
■■■■ happens dude… get the f over it… Changes are going to happen that either you ■■■■■■■ love or you ■■■■■■■ hate… ---
**Author:** ![Fartsniffer\_Munba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fartsniffer_munba/32/248389_2.png) [@Fartsniffer\_Munba](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fartsniffer_Munba)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/185 "2021-06-23T03:13:20Z")
Isn’t it completely normal to keep a grudge against the one who’s job it was to make sure ■■■■ isn’t happening? I mean, a hour of top skill mining went from 50mil per hour to 14mil per hour. To put you in perspective, there was more hisec miners back then than there are people in all of eve now, and all of them were getting absolutely ■■■■■■. I give this all to Mike, and the jerk replies with Malcanis quote along “What seems to be the problem?” line. Of course I am going to remember that. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 4:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/186 "2021-06-23T04:03:35Z")
> [@Fartsniffer\_Munba](#): > > Isn’t it completely normal to keep a grudge against the one who’s job it was to make sure ■■■■ isn’t happening? No, it’s not normal at all. It was eight years ago. Let it go. ---
**Author:** ![Fartsniffer\_Munba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fartsniffer_munba/32/248389_2.png) [@Fartsniffer\_Munba](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fartsniffer_Munba)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 4:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/187 "2021-06-23T04:07:05Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > No, it’s not normal at all. It was eight years ago. > > Let it go. Oh, don’t get me started with YOU. You’re basically 0.33 version of Mike in that regard. ED: and no, it happened, and happened, and happened again every year your or Mike are bot-voted in. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 4:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137/188 "2021-06-23T04:09:27Z")
bot vote, yea ok sure… i voted for both and last time i checked, not a bot, and certainly not a goon. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-your-new-csm/317137.md?page=10)