# Well this makes EvE look like a terrible game CCP :( **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 26, 2017, 2:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/well-this-makes-eve-look-like-a-terrible-game-ccp/11827 "2017-07-26T02:46:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 2:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/well-this-makes-eve-look-like-a-terrible-game-ccp/11827/1 "2017-07-26T02:46:35Z")
[Hey Kids! Buy More Tank for a Fiver!](http://i.imgur.com/EfA6HfD.png) This is the most cringey micro-transactioney advert i’ve ever seen come out of EvE Online. Someone who doesen’t play EvE would take a very different message from this than me, and think that in EvE people with real cash can buy a harder tank than those without among other things. If i saw that i wouldn’t bother clicking it because i’d assume it was a terrible game 😣 ---
**Author:** ![Khergit\_Deserters](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/khergit_deserters/32/319315_2.png) [@Khergit\_Deserters](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Khergit_Deserters)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 3:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/well-this-makes-eve-look-like-a-terrible-game-ccp/11827/2 "2017-07-26T03:17:48Z")
Lately CCP community relations seem to be on a roll about doing what they do worst-- community relations. (Sorry, just saying, tough love). But bah on all that, still produce the most thinking and cohesive and makes-sense MMO that I can find. And it runs round the clock, like an 8th wonder of the world. And the art department continues to quietly create beauteous new marvels. WTH, I appreciate and I’m in for this village for the duration. If nothing else, just to hang out and see what happens next. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Armin\_Quark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/armin_quark/32/10853_2.png) [@Armin\_Quark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Armin_Quark)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 3:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/well-this-makes-eve-look-like-a-terrible-game-ccp/11827/3 "2017-07-26T03:28:00Z")
I have to agree sadly, that advert makes it look like buying plex gives you an actual combat advantage against those that don’t =/ ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/well-this-makes-eve-look-like-a-terrible-game-ccp/11827/4 "2017-07-26T07:51:46Z")
That advert makes me think of… Oh wait, I know had to look up my email history, VEGA CONFLICT what a shite game where RL cash is the way to survival not just power!! ---
**Author:** ![Algarion\_Getz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algarion_getz/32/356396_2.png) [@Algarion\_Getz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algarion_Getz)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/well-this-makes-eve-look-like-a-terrible-game-ccp/11827/5 "2017-07-26T09:03:32Z")
Combine that with all the news articles that put $ price tags on every major battle and EVE looks like a hardcore P2W game for outsiders. ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/well-this-makes-eve-look-like-a-terrible-game-ccp/11827/6 "2017-07-26T14:15:51Z")
😑 ---
**Author:** ![Raudur\_Froskur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/raudur_froskur/32/246392_2.png) [@Raudur\_Froskur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Raudur_Froskur)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/well-this-makes-eve-look-like-a-terrible-game-ccp/11827/7 "2017-07-27T15:31:00Z")
I have to agree, sadly. Working in a multi-countries company in Europe I have the possibility of talking to a variety of people who don’t shy away from games and those who have not tried EVE yet really did think this provide a real advantage for real money. Those, who do/did play EVE (i recruited a few during the last nine years) are not at all happy with the general direction CCP has taken. Even those who quit are saddened by this. I am guessing it looks OK for those who don’t know what EVE’s ‘core values/principles’ are, but for those who do, well… I wager that people who buy into the offer will be disappointed, feel betrayed, even. And won’t stay. ---
**Author:** ![SIEGE\_RED](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siege_red/32/25316_2.png) [@SIEGE\_RED](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SIEGE_RED)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/well-this-makes-eve-look-like-a-terrible-game-ccp/11827/8 "2017-07-27T15:45:03Z")
With Plex becoming a golden standard, and isk losing both innate and time value, it’s starting to look quite similar in terms of emerging trends as already in place on the Chinese eve server. Which incidentally is absolutely hilarious as an adventure. Until they tell you stories of past tense there which you now recognise here. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/well-this-makes-eve-look-like-a-terrible-game-ccp/11827/9 "2017-07-27T16:29:25Z")
Indeed that is a really weird way of saying that “if you take this offer, you get two fully fitted frigates instead of having to start with a noob frig like all those other losers.” ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale\_Pirannha](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dinsdale_pirannha/32/254927_2.png) [@Dinsdale\_Pirannha](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dinsdale_Pirannha)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/well-this-makes-eve-look-like-a-terrible-game-ccp/11827/10 "2017-07-27T17:37:21Z")
> [@Keno\_Skir](#): > > [Hey Kids! Buy More Tank for a Fiver!](http://i.imgur.com/EfA6HfD.png) > > This is the most cringey micro-transactioney advert i’ve ever seen come out of EvE Online. Someone who doesen’t play EvE would take a very different message from this than me, and think that in EvE people with real cash can buy a harder tank than those without among other things. If i saw that i wouldn’t bother clicking it because i’d assume it was a terrible game 😣 It is no longer possible to be surprised by this. CCP has just given up the pretense that Eve is not pay-to-win. CCP went pay-to-win when skills became something you could buy or sell, and they have finally started acknowledging it. ---
**Author:** ![Eleonora\_Crendraven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eleonora_crendraven/32/225764_2.png) [@Eleonora\_Crendraven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eleonora_Crendraven)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/well-this-makes-eve-look-like-a-terrible-game-ccp/11827/11 "2017-07-27T20:00:48Z")
> [@Dinsdale\_Pirannha](#): > > CCP has just given up the pretense that Eve is not pay-to-win. > CCP went pay-to-win when skills became something you could buy or sell, and they have finally started acknowledging it. Sad but true. ---
**Author:** ![Eleonora\_Crendraven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eleonora_crendraven/32/225764_2.png) [@Eleonora\_Crendraven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eleonora_Crendraven)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/well-this-makes-eve-look-like-a-terrible-game-ccp/11827/12 "2017-07-28T18:39:21Z")
—\> [https://meta.eveonline.com/t/starter-pack/11717?u=eleonora\_crendraven](https://meta.eveonline.com/t/starter-pack/11717?u=eleonora_crendraven) ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_ayeipsia/32/23528_2.png) [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Ayeipsia)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/well-this-makes-eve-look-like-a-terrible-game-ccp/11827/13 "2017-07-28T19:09:38Z")
Eve is not pay to win. You could max every skill through injectors and you still will have no clue what you are doing. You’ll still take a raven out thinking you are a god and get taken out by s loan kestrel. ---
**Author:** ![Vanessa\_Celtis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vanessa_celtis/32/48009_2.png) [@Vanessa\_Celtis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vanessa_Celtis)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2017, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/well-this-makes-eve-look-like-a-terrible-game-ccp/11827/14 "2017-07-29T14:50:15Z")
It depends how you define win. If winning is buying all you want when you want you are correct. If it is enjoying the game and get kills and be a good pvp’er or fc, you are soooo wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Syeed\_Ameer\_Ali](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syeed_ameer_ali/32/411549_2.png) [@Syeed\_Ameer\_Ali](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syeed_Ameer_Ali)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2017, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/well-this-makes-eve-look-like-a-terrible-game-ccp/11827/15 "2017-07-29T15:18:47Z")
> [@Dinsdale\_Pirannha](#): > > CCP went pay-to-win when skills became something you could buy or sell, and they have finally started acknowledging it. EVE is clearly not pay-to-win. Nobody who knows anything about this game would ever think that. All the SP in the world won’t teach you how to actually _do_ anything correctly, and at the end of the day, that’s the difference between success and failure. That’s why competent PvPers are still able to slay battleships in their Rifters. The problem here isn’t that the game is pay to win, as I understand it the problem is that CCP appears to be trying to advertise it that way. Now, why you or I should give a ■■■■ how CCP advertises the game is another question, of course. I know I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2017, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/well-this-makes-eve-look-like-a-terrible-game-ccp/11827/16 "2017-07-29T15:25:10Z")
Question for those arguing that EVE is pay to win: how does one win EVE? ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2017, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/well-this-makes-eve-look-like-a-terrible-game-ccp/11827/17 "2017-07-29T15:43:02Z")
Its technically “pay to have advantage”. ---
**Author:** ![Syeed\_Ameer\_Ali](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syeed_ameer_ali/32/411549_2.png) [@Syeed\_Ameer\_Ali](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syeed_Ameer_Ali)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2017, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/well-this-makes-eve-look-like-a-terrible-game-ccp/11827/18 "2017-07-29T16:17:37Z")
More like pay to be a juicier target for people who actually know what they are doing. ---
**Author:** ![Feilamya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/feilamya/32/436018_2.png) [@Feilamya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Feilamya)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2017, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/well-this-makes-eve-look-like-a-terrible-game-ccp/11827/19 "2017-07-29T17:17:12Z")
No, it’s perfect. Advertising for PLEX by telling players how they can upgrade their Rifter to a Wolf shows exactly how Eve is so NOT pay to win. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/well-this-makes-eve-look-like-a-terrible-game-ccp/11827/20 "2017-07-29T20:44:45Z")
It’s not P2W. It’s not even pay for advantage. What it is is pay for nothing but realizing this game is nothing like CCP’s advertising dept painted it as and then going to find another game with more honest marketing. Mr Epeen 🕶 [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/well-this-makes-eve-look-like-a-terrible-game-ccp/11827.md?page=2)