# What Ahbazon Campers Don't Want You To Know: This One Simple Trick Would Immediately Fix Highsec Topography **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [April 27, 2025, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-ahbazon-campers-dont-want-you-to-know-this-one-simple-trick-would-immediately-fix-highsec-topography/484484 "2025-04-27T13:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-ahbazon-campers-dont-want-you-to-know-this-one-simple-trick-would-immediately-fix-highsec-topography/484484/101 "2025-05-02T19:07:07Z")
I am not against making Vecamia 0.5 highsec. But I doubt it will help Amarr tradehub in any way. And if it doesn’t help the tradehub, then there are no good arguments for this change. It won’t happen anyway, developers are not reading this part of the forum at all. So it is only a subject to argue around between ourselves. Personally I would rather see all faction highsecs to be divided from each other by low or null so the motivation to use Dodixie/Hek/Rens/Amarr was stronger and to removed these 1.6bil cargo AP freighters from space. If players want to haul their ■■■■ between Amarr and Jita they should do it actively. But that is just my wish and it will never happen. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-ahbazon-campers-dont-want-you-to-know-this-one-simple-trick-would-immediately-fix-highsec-topography/484484/102 "2025-05-02T20:40:29Z")
just rename Jita to Walmart or Sams club and call it a day 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Trusty\_Patches](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trusty_patches/32/458720_2.png) [@Trusty\_Patches](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trusty_Patches)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-ahbazon-campers-dont-want-you-to-know-this-one-simple-trick-would-immediately-fix-highsec-topography/484484/103 "2025-05-02T21:07:50Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > You can see it in _very easy examples_: > > - Imagine Amarr would only be 5 Jumps from Jita. It would be _dead_. People would go directly to Jita instead. > - Dodixie is only 15j from Jita. Hek is 19. Rens is 25. And they are all even less populated and often have less orders for the various items. Amarr used to be 11j from Jita back when it was still the second-biggest trade hub. Why do you reckon anyone traded there instead of Jita back then? If anything, the mechanics of the game now (industry cost modifiers etc.) favour Amarr _more_ than the mechanics back then did, yet somehow it’s deader than ever. The only thing that really changed was distance, because even Pochven is nowhere near as easy as 11 jumps in highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-ahbazon-campers-dont-want-you-to-know-this-one-simple-trick-would-immediately-fix-highsec-topography/484484/104 "2025-05-02T21:58:28Z")
> [@Trusty\_Patches](#): > > somehow It’s not _somehow_, the game has probably not even half the real players it had a decade ago. The account number may not have been dropped by 50% but much more people using more accounts simply means less real persons playing the game. And guess what? Most of them have a “Jita alt”. Thats the only reason the drop in numbers isn’t so obvious there. For Amarr itself, when considering the changes in player numbers, not so much has changed at all. It’s still the second biggest hub and it’s still in pretty acceptable shape, well stocked most of the time. There simply isn’t that much reason to even live in Amarr Space these days, as there is nothing really exciting to do that yo can’t do around Jita as well. The real player population dropped to a point, where other markets offer no real benefit any more, the space is way too vast and the population spreads so thin, if not enough customers are around, a market will suffer, simple as that. See Rens: It once was one of the “bigger” hubs, by far not the caliber of Jita or Amarr, but good enough to offer 99% of the stuff an average capsuleer needed in acceptable numbers and prices. And today its just _dead_. Because barely anyone lives there any more. And so we are closing the circle _again_ (but you seem to be simply stubborn): Give people a _MOTIVATION_ to go to Amarr insteand making it even more convenient to go to Jita. And this motivation is on spot #1: MONEY. If selling your stuff in Amarr (whatever that is, Blueloot, Redloot, Ores, PI, Reactionproducts, modules) grants you MORE MONEY because you will pay less taxes and fees, more people will see a reason to sell there. If you sell there regulary, the point comes where it is lucrative to _settle_ there with your business. If more people begin to _live_ there, the market has more demand for daily use products. Can we just stop repeating this really simple circle? It’s mindblowing that you can’t see these simple connections. It’s not the Jita-Distance, it’s the _benefits_ that give people reasons to go there. So _give_ them benefits if you want to make that hub stronger. ---
**Author:** ![Godfrey\_Penderghast](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/godfrey_penderghast/32/425087_2.png) [@Godfrey\_Penderghast](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Godfrey_Penderghast)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-ahbazon-campers-dont-want-you-to-know-this-one-simple-trick-would-immediately-fix-highsec-topography/484484/105 "2025-05-05T16:22:57Z")
You say this like it’s a bad thing。 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2025, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-ahbazon-campers-dont-want-you-to-know-this-one-simple-trick-would-immediately-fix-highsec-topography/484484/106 "2025-08-03T16:23:27Z")
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