# What are your thoughts on sarcity? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 7, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147 "2021-07-07T18:22:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Hug\_Motsu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hug_motsu/32/264439_2.png) [@Hug\_Motsu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hug_Motsu)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2021, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147/286 "2021-07-17T20:21:28Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > TLDR > > \_\_high end rich industrialist can adapt with little effort > \_\_mid/casual industrialist will struggle > > – casual indy pilots gonna just lose interest +1 obviously, this is true for all forms of pve - unless you live in a wormhole. those are getting an income buff. > [@Grimm\_Reborn](#): > > One of the side effects of scarcity has been the creation of new content.What I mean by that is an increase in transportation I actually didn’t think that scarcity had created any content at all. Just bad will. But hey, I guess there’s a silver lining in your words 😛 also, I think the “mysterious stockpiles” that ccp claims to have been targeted (if they even exist) have been largely untouched in the whole timespan of scarcity “period”. _Everything (cap-related) that sells on the market now, has been produced before the industry change. So if you want to invest, nows is a golden time for that. your will double-triple-quadruple etc… your money in a timespan of 1-5years_ sadly, ccp did the scarcity rather then just deleting the stockpiles or introduce some kind decaying effect on materials or a super-rich tax… or something else… is one of many ways ccp has “pulled up the ladder” from the super-rich platform. 2-3 trillion isk invested into caps becomes +8-12T, without any effort at all\* > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Then can I have your stuff? I have been playing since 08! why do you keep asking for ppls stuff, dont you live in a wh where there is no scarcity…? ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2021, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147/287 "2021-07-17T20:39:46Z")
> [@Hug\_Motsu](#): > > dont you live in a wh where there is no scarcity…? Not anymore. I’m one of the “Poors” 😉 who ask for free stuff now. Seems to be the trend so adapt or die for me! ---
**Author:** ![Hug\_Motsu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hug_motsu/32/264439_2.png) [@Hug\_Motsu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hug_Motsu)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2021, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147/288 "2021-07-17T20:47:00Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Not anymore. I’m one of the “Poors” who ask for free stuff now. Seems to be the trend so adapt or die for me! did you get evicted? 😕 never fun. anyways… on topic and also offtopic. WH is the new “null”… Scarcity in null has made it so. That which used to be associated with null is now associated with wh-space. so I guess, in the long run, scarcity is providing the super-rich with an impenetrable fortress and also new content/war in wormhole space… and provide isk as null becomes a dry desert. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2021, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147/289 "2021-07-17T20:52:51Z")
> [@Hug\_Motsu](#): > > did you get evicted? Naw, as soon as CCP announced scarcity, we started packing up. I planned for yr for it. Damm sub! 🤣 > [@Hug\_Motsu](#): > > That which used to be associated with null is now associated with wh-space. Yeah, I have read that but just don’t have enough time to actually play much. I can be in the forums because I can just get up and walk away if I have to. Can’t do that in game and live. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 1:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147/290 "2021-07-18T01:09:48Z")
It’s so unfair ! You made me log in to the forums just to tell you “man, get back into the game”. Do eeet !.. 😁 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 1:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147/291 "2021-07-18T01:55:46Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > You made me log in to the forums **You** should have never left! 😭 Fine. I sub all my acct’s again. The low numbers are a win for me. But why bother enabling CCP anymore? ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 2:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147/292 "2021-07-18T02:04:39Z")
I can stomach only that much of the forum, I take breaks from it, it’s too much like mining 😛 But not from EvE itself (was gone for a few years, because my friends left, but just had to come back) Why enabling ccp ? Why not, they are the caretakers of the game and we need a healthy ccp. CCP is not the game. We, the players, are the game _and_ the content. You know that already, so I wrote this to the benefit of those who don’t know or deny it, lol. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 3:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147/293 "2021-07-18T03:07:34Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > But not from EvE itself (was gone for a few years, because my friends left, but just had to come back) All but 2 friends quit. Those 2 are happy to be the 2 richest players in game when the lights go out. Not for me. I don’t want to enable CCP anymore because they have been encouraging the Ridley’s in game. Maybe, just maybe they realized their mistakes? ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 3:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147/294 "2021-07-18T03:08:50Z")
I will be here to the end… For I am Minmatar… ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147/295 "2021-07-18T03:22:58Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > For I am Minmatar… I must admit, I never fought for lore or glory. I fight for fun! Death to the Null Blocks! But CCP took that away as well. [Robin Hood: Men in Tights (3/5) Movie CLIP - Men in Tights (1993) HD - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G59JnM4JKNQ) ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147/296 "2021-07-18T07:53:15Z")
tut tut ![msdCOH](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/5/8/5580408ad9dc92b48bcceeeccf25ec709940ef32.gif) anyway ![1Dye](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/f/8/bf8be5e956e08509df00e5cb50c81a170f003c14.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Trivianee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trivianee/32/280197_2.png) [@Trivianee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trivianee)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147/297 "2021-07-18T18:28:07Z")
Cancelled 14 Omega accounts and gave most of my stuff away to corp mates. ■■■■ scarcity and ■■■■ CCP until they fix it, I’m out. ---
**Author:** ![Florian\_Hutter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/florian_hutter/32/281314_2.png) [@Florian\_Hutter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Florian_Hutter)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147/298 "2021-07-18T19:47:38Z")
■■■■ ccp, piece of shiet company ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147/299 "2021-07-18T20:11:46Z")
When we’ll eventually be down to the last 5000 players on the servers, You’ll still have the DaichiClowns and co. here to tell us we didn’t need that 30k+ cancerous playerbase anyway… ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 5:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147/300 "2021-07-19T05:36:39Z")
Yup. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/6/e/16ec4b12df5583953d77d11e536703d953cb9c83.jpeg "Wide Open Space (Remastered)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySjfEHhD6wM) ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147/301 "2021-07-19T22:55:55Z")
> [@Siegfried\_Tahl](#): > > Well if cheap T1 ships got slightly cheaper, expensive faction ships doubled, and extremly expensive caps and supers quadrupled, isnt it safe to say that on average ship prices went up? If you’re still wondering about this, it looks like the majority of ship types went down in price after the time of the industry change, not just cheap T1. Even T2 got cheaper or stayed the same. Capital ships and pirate faction ships are the exception. So if destruction is staying the same it would suggest more ships are dying or that capital and pirate ships make up a disproportionate amount of destruction. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147/302 "2021-07-20T00:15:14Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > not just cheap T1. Even T2 got cheaper or stayed the same How about - The market for these hasn’t moved much due to lack of demand. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Capital ships and pirate faction ships are the exception Right now the market isn’t reflecting build cost due to a lack of components, so manufacturers, buyers and sellers are holding off. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > So if destruction is staying the same it would suggest more ships are dying Not sure how you Math but “Staying the same” would indicate no more ships are being destroyed, not more. If “Destruction” excluded cargo value of ganking I think you’d find the reason destruction “seems” to have remained the same. A 50bil freighter kill is only ONE ship loss, so while it adds 50bil to “destruction” it can’t be used to show whether more or less ships are being destroyed. CCP would have to do a breakdown of destruction that excluded items in cargo. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 1:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147/303 "2021-07-20T01:24:15Z")
Scarcity is stupid. It is as stupid as outlawing all computers and giving everyone abaci instead with the idea of increasing employment. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 3:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147/304 "2021-07-20T03:04:13Z")
The subject was: Ship cost is up but destruction is ‘funnily the same’. Siegfried believes that what you meant by ‘destruction being funnily the same’ was that the frequency of ships dying **must** be down if destruction is steady despite increased ship prices. However, since most ship prices appear to have gone down again surely that would suggest the opposite. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 4:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147/305 "2021-07-20T04:33:39Z")
That we don’t know, as I said CCP would have to provide the numbers. Ganking of freighters has certainly been on the up, maybe that accounts for part of the reason destruction remains fairly constant. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147.md?page=14) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-are-your-thoughts-on-sarcity/319147.md?page=16)