# What considerations has CCP made for PvE after Resist nerf? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 9, 2020, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380 "2020-04-09T21:14:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/316 "2020-05-16T01:02:08Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > fw have 2 kinds of LP > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > PLEXES > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > LP from missions , any people that do missions in low sec is a terrible person worst than hitler , the missions got a very delicate nerf but they need to be nerfed a LOT more > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > not so long ago amarr and minmatar made a truce to protest against mission runners > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > the problem with FW missions is they historically gave A LOT of LP > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > [Faction warfare missions - EVE University Wiki](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Faction_warfare_missions) > [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > Except that you didn’t specify faction missions - you said low sec agents. That is far more broad than fw missions. ??? ---
**Author:** ![James\_Baboli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_baboli/32/408702_2.png) [@James\_Baboli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Baboli)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 5:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/317 "2020-05-16T05:53:55Z")
You jumped into a different thread of the conversation, specifically about level 4s as they are in highsec, and made posts about FW missions. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/318 "2020-05-16T07:07:53Z")
> [@James\_Baboli](#): > > You jumped into a different thread of the conversation, specifically about level 4s as they are in highsec, and made posts about FW missions. not really the topic was about resist nerfs , @Synthetic_Cultist was saying that now is harder to do lvls 4 with her apoca, i pointed that most missions lvl 4 can be done with long range weapons and a mjd because the AI is easy, near to 0 tanks required, them the talk turned to marauders , and people was talking about the amount of skills needed for them , i pointed that one can make a good sum of money using only a frig t1, them @Ivanka_Trumptard asked if the lp was from complexes or fw missions , i explained that its from complexes and that fw missions have bad rep among low sec people , and the YOU asked for > [@James\_Baboli](#): > > Source? and @Anderson_Geten said > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > none. > > He is just trolling you. and i posted a eveuniversity link … ---
**Author:** ![James\_Baboli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_baboli/32/408702_2.png) [@James\_Baboli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Baboli)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/319 "2020-05-16T07:14:57Z")
You totally missed the sub thread of the conversation then. That was in a direct response chain built off this post, which you responded to, despite no one else talking about FW missions in that specific discussion. > [@What considerations has CCP made for PvE after Resist nerf?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/299): > > i guess it will be interesting then when L4 missions are moved to lowsec too in the 3rd quadrant release. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/320 "2020-05-16T09:37:28Z")
and this is what I said was a troll (that L4 missions will be moved to lowsec) ---
**Author:** ![Juoi\_Milar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/juoi_milar/32/205936_2.png) [@Juoi\_Milar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Juoi_Milar)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/321 "2020-05-16T09:39:47Z")
Surely it’s more than just that difference in the effective HP. Look at the difference in repair amount. How long does it take to complete that mission? Multiply the amount of time engaged with npc’s by the loss in repair hp/s and you have a much larger loss of armount health than your suggested difference in effective HP. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/322 "2020-05-16T09:53:43Z")
> [@Juoi\_Milar](#): > > Surely it’s more than just that difference in the effective HP. Look at the difference in repair amount. Literally if you were not perma tanking the room, nit’s applied twice. If you lose 50% of your EHP due to resist loss, you also lose 50% of your rep. So if you were able to tank your ship long enough to reduce the incoming DPS, now you rep half as much If you take a ship that had a buffer of 30k EHP, 150 EHP/s, and the rats deal 250 DPS, you could tank 5min before breaking. Now you rep 75 hp/s and have only 15k EHP. Now you can tank 1:26 before breaking. That’s a loss of 61% of your staying power. ---
**Author:** ![Rashche](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rashche/32/205271_2.png) [@Rashche](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rashche)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/323 "2020-05-18T17:26:53Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > Citation needed… They’re going to lose all their players now though.\*\* \*\*Posted by Rashche 3 Days Ago([What considerations has CCP made for PvE after Resist nerf? - #306 by Rashche](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/306)) ---
**Author:** ![Rashche](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rashche/32/205271_2.png) [@Rashche](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rashche)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/324 "2020-05-18T17:31:56Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > And whose fault is that? It was CCP’s fault braininess. Was I not clear? Sorry but your argument that if I don’t read the patch notes in their entirety at every log in and that CCP didnt have justification to put up a GIANT WARNING BANNER and make it very evident in the game that this GIANT FRIKIN MONUMENTAL change in game mechanics is happening, is one of a troll fool. Go alpha camp a gate somewhere and pick on newbros. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/325 "2020-05-18T17:32:56Z")
> [@Rashche](#): > > It was CCP’s fault braininess. You’re wrong. It was your fault. ---
**Author:** ![Rashche](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rashche/32/205271_2.png) [@Rashche](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rashche)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/326 "2020-05-18T17:35:01Z")
DO you read anything? Probably must be a comprehension issue. For one I hadn’t logged into the game in a month at all. Point two…what makes you think you know anything about t4 filaments when your flying a caracal? you stupid or something son? ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/327 "2020-05-18T17:37:32Z")
> [@Rashche](#): > > > [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > > > Citation needed… > > They’re going to lose all their players now though.\*\* > > \*\*Posted by Rashche 3 Days Ago([What considerations has CCP made for PvE after Resist nerf? - #306 by Rashche](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/306)) Quoting your own unqualified opinion is **not** ‘a citation’… ---
**Author:** ![Rashche](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rashche/32/205271_2.png) [@Rashche](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rashche)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/328 "2020-05-18T17:39:07Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > You’re wrong. It was your fault. Actually it was your fault because people like you are what makes online gaming suck. Have your mom cook you some pizza rolls and go back to trying to scam contracts out of Jita. Seriously what do trolls get out of trolling? ---
**Author:** ![Rashche](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rashche/32/205271_2.png) [@Rashche](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rashche)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/329 "2020-05-18T17:40:06Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > Quoting your own unqualified opinion is **not** ‘a citation’… You seem smert. Did you goto scwool errr sumthin? ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/330 "2020-05-18T17:42:23Z")
> [@Rashche](#): > > Actually it was your fault because people like you are what makes online gaming suck. There is nobody like me. What have I done in the game to make it suck for you? ---
**Author:** ![Rashche](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rashche/32/205271_2.png) [@Rashche](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rashche)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/331 "2020-05-18T17:42:37Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Sounds like you ignored the basic rule of EVE: don’t fly what you can’t afford to lose. Perhaps you should try not being bad at EVE next time? Where did I say I cant afford it? I didn’t get to where I am by throwing money away “because I can afford it” for sure. Ignorance is bliss I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Rashche](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rashche/32/205271_2.png) [@Rashche](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rashche)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/332 "2020-05-18T17:51:59Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > There is nobody like me. What have I done in the game to make it suck for you? Tolled the forums. Voiced counter opinions only to incite negative responses. Your entire history on these forums is available for anyone to see ya know. Thats what I love about trolls. Come to the forums every day a think they’re getting a laugh at what they do, then one day wake up in real life and realize that they have no friends and no one ever liked them. What I wonder is if game companies are paying these people. As long as it appears that someone is on their side everything is okay I guess. Who is their right mind would actually support this though? I mean come on filaments are one of the latest features added to the game and they broke them. I could care less about L4 missions. I can run them faster than new players can piloting a T2 frigate. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/333 "2020-05-18T17:56:00Z")
> [@Rashche](#): > > Tolled the forums. Voiced counter opinions only to incite negative responses. Your entire history on these forums is available for anyone to see ya know. You do know the forums and the game are two different things, right? I repeat: what have I done **in the game** to make it suck for you? That is what you accuse me of. ---
**Author:** ![Synthetic\_Cultist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/synthetic_cultist/32/388342_2.png) [@Synthetic\_Cultist](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Synthetic_Cultist)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/334 "2020-05-18T18:01:51Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > The people who were the most hurt by this nerf are the people who rely on resist to tank, so those who don’t range tank nor speed tank. So brawler fits. Which has an effect on how fun and engaging playing eve is. It is _dull_ to aggro a group of npcs, snipe them, aggro the next group, snipe, repeat. Compared to getting stuck in, and seeing things exploding and so on. But that’s how most missions are designed. A npc battleship usually has hp that is around the same kind of numbers as a player battleship, but has a dps output that is much less than a player ship. So a group of npcs has a lot of hp to chew through, but relatively little dps. Which can be a bit boring. Even low level missions are like this. It’s a lot more efficient to do a L1 mission in a beam Coercer, than it is to do it in a pulse Punisher, but doing it in the Punisher is probably a lot more fun. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > what exactly is the point of your post? Just pointing out that the change has a major effect on fits that worked for years beforehand. And my opinion that the people who are most affected are more likely to be newer or more casual players. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380/335 "2020-05-18T18:05:01Z")
> [@Synthetic\_Cultist](#): > > Which has an effect on how fun and engaging playing eve is. It is _dull_ to aggro a group of npcs, snipe them, aggro the next group, snipe, repeat. Compared to getting stuck in, and seeing things exploding and so on. Well that’s also what I thought above, in one post I wrote “try to brawl L4 now”. This update called “brawler paradise” actually makes brawling worse. They lose ±40% rep and gain 20% DPS for T2 ammo only … That’s a net loss. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-considerations-has-ccp-made-for-pve-after-resist-nerf/231380.md?page=17)