# What did I do wrong? (T0 Abyssal + Caracal = Boom) **URL:** \ **Category:** PvE Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [June 20, 2021, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong-t0-abyssal-caracal-boom/316976 "2021-06-20T14:46:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Obsid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/obsid/32/278024_2.png) [@Obsid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Obsid)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong-t0-abyssal-caracal-boom/316976/1 "2021-06-20T14:46:44Z")
Hi all! I’ve played Eve on and off since 2003. Decided to come back and take a look. This is my first time in Abysall Space. I went to a Tier 0 area and took in a Caracal with the fit recommended here: [Surviving the Abyss - Abyssal Deadspace Ship Fittings and Guidance | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/now/surviving-the-abyss) However, my ship did very little damage to the hostiles. It took so long to kill anything that eventually the 20 min timer ran out. Previously, I did the Tier 0 in a Catalyst, and could complete them in around 10 minutes. I thought the Cruiser was going to be even quicker. Can anyone let me know what I did wrong? Video clip of the fight is here: [Eve Online Abyss - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhtHRU6RhHw) Thanks! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong-t0-abyssal-caracal-boom/316976/2 "2021-06-20T14:48:22Z")
looks like that’s not taking implants into the equation, plus it could be skill issues as well. ---
**Author:** ![Obsid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/obsid/32/278024_2.png) [@Obsid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Obsid)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong-t0-abyssal-caracal-boom/316976/3 "2021-06-20T14:49:31Z")
This is a fresh account so only has ~600k SP and no implants. Was I trying to run before I can walk? ![Screenshot 2021-06-20 155027](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/b/e/1be0ed249cb32b3f205c06c7c877cc98e95515ff.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong-t0-abyssal-caracal-boom/316976/4 "2021-06-20T14:51:52Z")
quite possibly… i’m not an expert of abyssal. Warhead Upgrade would have helped as well as getting bombardment up a lil bit more… ---
**Author:** ![Aceyfacey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aceyfacey/32/251142_2.png) [@Aceyfacey](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aceyfacey)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong-t0-abyssal-caracal-boom/316976/5 "2021-06-20T17:37:22Z")
Was it skybreaker that killed you? ---
**Author:** ![Obsid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/obsid/32/278024_2.png) [@Obsid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Obsid)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong-t0-abyssal-caracal-boom/316976/6 "2021-06-20T18:33:55Z")
No. The problem was that my Caracal just wasn’t dealing enough damage. ---
**Author:** ![Khlaa\_Sor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/khlaa_sor/32/434528_2.png) [@Khlaa\_Sor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Khlaa_Sor)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong-t0-abyssal-caracal-boom/316976/7 "2021-06-20T18:41:16Z")
Wasn’t there deviant automata suppressor eating your missiles in flight? ---
**Author:** ![eEeEeeeEeeeeEeeE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee/32/268419_2.png) [@eEeEeeeEeeeeEeeE](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/eEeEeeeEeeeeEeeE)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong-t0-abyssal-caracal-boom/316976/8 "2021-06-20T18:46:03Z")
pretty sure u cant kill the skybreaker with like 130 dps trust me i have 5 dead coraxes as proof ---
**Author:** ![Small\_Kitty\_Paws](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/small_kitty_paws/32/267673_2.png) [@Small\_Kitty\_Paws](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Small_Kitty_Paws)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong-t0-abyssal-caracal-boom/316976/9 "2021-06-20T19:09:33Z")
Website you linked was put up when abyss was introduced. CCP didn’t updated it. You will find better fits using community fittings in, in game fitting window. One big mistake was taking firestorm filament. It gives bonus to armor but since you use shield based ship. You end up with more tanky enemies (filament environment bonusses and “nerfs” also apply to npcs) and no benefits for yourself. Other than that, it’s simply not enough DPS. You need more SP and more T2/meta modules. For new account. It’s actually easier to run T0 frigate or destroyer abyss before upgrading into cruiser. Income is also higher. ---
**Author:** ![Chromosome\_Commander](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chromosome_commander/32/272273_2.png) [@Chromosome\_Commander](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chromosome_Commander)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong-t0-abyssal-caracal-boom/316976/11 "2021-06-21T13:10:47Z")
Killed the skybreaker with 99dps Merlin in a Gamma Afterglow however I had 1min left after it. So yes you can kill it with 100+ dps Just not fast enough xD. ---
**Author:** ![Yengwayo\_Zembutoo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yengwayo_zembutoo/32/456345_2.png) [@Yengwayo\_Zembutoo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yengwayo_Zembutoo)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong-t0-abyssal-caracal-boom/316976/12 "2021-06-21T16:21:22Z")
Nice video, what program did you use? ---
**Author:** ![Dena\_Ice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dena_ice/32/273832_2.png) [@Dena\_Ice](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dena_Ice)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong-t0-abyssal-caracal-boom/316976/13 "2021-06-21T22:06:59Z")
Your problem is most likely that you are using Heavy Assault Missiles. They do not apply well to small targets (I.E. have high explosion radius). Even if your fit shows some 150-200 dps you should be applying less than 20% of that to small targets like frigates. You can fix this to some extent with skills (Guided Missile Precision, Target Navigation Prediction) and with faction missiles (i think? not sure). For now your best bet is to switch your weapons to Rapid Light Missiles as @Lesican suggested. ---
**Author:** ![GENERAL\_CONSTANTINO](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/general_constantino/32/274270_2.png) [@GENERAL\_CONSTANTINO](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GENERAL_CONSTANTINO)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong-t0-abyssal-caracal-boom/316976/14 "2021-06-23T07:18:50Z")
Hello! You can watch this video that we created with caracal, This one dish out more damage and cap stable so you wont be having much trouble surviving with this one. Please do check this one if you have time: [Caracal Complete Guide for new players](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-YmgnSGH0I) My 7 of my friends used it for the same purpose and they told me the fit works without problem for them. Also i note that your enemies are small frigates in which light missiles and small guns perform better than heavies and assault ammo. so please consider tryout our fit video also contains the recommended skills to properly fly this fit and alternative fittings that you can try. Hope this will help. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong-t0-abyssal-caracal-boom/316976/15 "2021-06-29T18:05:54Z")
I know it’s an expansive ship, I want to try T1 ships for Abyssal runs and make some vids of how it goes. anything below 300 DPS is gonna hurt in the Abyss. Try to breach that point. It’s possible below 300 DPS but very risky. Check out my vids for the Abyss. Abyss Mutaplasmids modules - Omega only, will help you out a lot. Also check your missiles explosion radius, frigates are fast, if they are in white cloud they are impossible to hit, you need small explosion radius, use of navy missiles is mandatory in most of situations. fit a rigor rig or use a missile computer helps a lot also keeping explosion radius low. Also use Rapid light missiles on the Caracal… you were using standard light launchers… [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/6/e/96ed91722076906d17acddacac982da3a1734abf.jpeg "OSPREY NAVY GAMMA T2 ABYSS RLM 520DPS HUGE SHIELD TANK") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kR8Ue7Eh5M) ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong-t0-abyssal-caracal-boom/316976/16 "2021-06-29T18:25:40Z")
Can you fit this? What is your DPS and Explosion radius? I get 350 DPS and 25mt explosion radius with CN missiles and 450 DPS with Fury Missiles and 45mt radius If you can get at least 300 DPS, I think you are good to go. This Suicide fit could go perhaps up to T3… [Caracal, ABYSS SUICIDE FIT] 33Millions fit Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II 10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner Medium Shield Booster II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Acolyte II x10 Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile x1000 Scourge Fury Light Missile x2000 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2021, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong-t0-abyssal-caracal-boom/316976/17 "2021-09-27T18:25:57Z")
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