# What do miners think of bots? **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 2, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548 "2019-10-02T19:54:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/42 "2019-11-05T15:10:06Z")
> [@Dusty\_3allvalve](#): > > It’s what people enjoy that they persue. Nobody cares whether you enjoy mining. No permit = No ship! That’s the law of New Halaima! 👮🚔👮‍♀️ ---
**Author:** ![Dusty\_3allvalve](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dusty_3allvalve/32/235342_2.png) [@Dusty\_3allvalve](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dusty_3allvalve)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/43 "2019-11-05T15:14:03Z")
Permit. LOL. You DO think I’m stupid. Who knows, maybe I’ll get nostalgic and come see you out there. Can’t seem to put an in game name to the one… you’re… hiding behind? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/44 "2019-11-05T15:15:50Z")
You’ve got to stop hiding in nullsec. If you want to see me, man up and come to high sec for some elite PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Dusty\_3allvalve](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dusty_3allvalve/32/235342_2.png) [@Dusty\_3allvalve](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dusty_3allvalve)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/45 "2019-11-05T15:52:23Z")
@Aiko_Danuja Okay. I had my settings wrong. I found you. Sent you an in-game message. I think we’ve tied up this poor guys, whatever, enough. And btw, your toon’s kinda young. Were you planning a dumb-luck fit or just hoping I’d stroll up, say hi, and watch your friends come to fight for you. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure this alt of yours can fight 😉 Just sayin’… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/46 "2019-11-05T18:02:31Z")
> [@Dusty\_3allvalve](#): > > Sent you an in-game message. That’s so hot, I can’t wait to login this account… 🥰 ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/47 "2019-11-06T02:20:07Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I simply don’t have any fondness for highsec miners. Personally, I just find them easy to dislike. Even apart from what they actually _do_ , their presence has always irritated me. I suppose you could say that I have a natural prejudice against them. > > When I examine the phenomenon of the highsec miner, I put all of that aside. Do I despise them? Absolutely. But am I able to be completely objective? Hell yes! In studying the highsec miner, I am essentially a neutral party, as my hatred of the miners becomes a non-factor. > > My objective analysis of the highsec miners has concluded that my prejudice against them is well-founded. They _do_ deserve the disgust that people feel for them. With what you have written there, there is no way you are a neutral party. I used to mine somewhere around 2009, it wasn’t the profession of choice but it was convenient as I had some study to do at that time. Mining in this game is easy to do semi-afk, sit at the computer and read. I used to get asked on several occasions if I was a bot, which made me realise a lot of people don’t even know a bot if they saw one. Mining in this game is really dull, even mined a bit not semi-afk, it’s just a waiting game really, really dull. When CCP designed mining in this game I think they thought the players where bots, that’s how bad it is. Used to manufacture on this character, purchased all the materials never mined any of them. You say miners are bad, it’s not miners that are all bad, it’s the mining mechanics that’s crap. As for bots although I’ve not been a miner for many years (even in the past mainly during study sessions) I also detest them, in fact I dislike cheating of any kind. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/48 "2019-11-06T15:53:29Z")
> [@Dusty\_3allvalve](#): > > But yes, there is a very inhuman element always at play around real people. That is that is the animal that cannot have an original thought; the monster that cannot speak a word of his own. They are not “brainwashed.” There was nothing to wash, Why are you so mean to miners? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/49 "2019-11-06T16:56:43Z")
> [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > With what you have written there, there is no way you are a neutral party. This is a logical fallacy, the fact that I despise miners, and am disgusted by miners, does not mean that I am not neutral. Imagine if you will, the criminal brought before the court of Halaima. As a member of the jury, I was selected precisely because of my neutrality. As a new player, I had no opinion or fore-knowledge of the miners, and I assessed them with a new gaze and an objective neutral perspective. The fact that I am disgusted with them now, is simply because after hearing all the evidence, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are guilty - they are guilty of the crimes they are accused of, and almost certainly guilty of even more grievous acts. My disgust stems not from any personal bias, but from a purely logical understanding of their crime. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/50 "2019-11-06T17:14:10Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > > [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > > > With what you have written there, there is no way you are a neutral party. > > This is a logical fallacy, the fact that I despise miners, and am disgusted by miners, does not mean that I am not neutral. Imagine if you will, the criminal brought before the court of Halaima. As a member of the jury, I was selected precisely because of my neutrality. As a new player, I had no opinion or fore-knowledge of the miners, and I assessed them with a new gaze and an objective neutral perspective. The fact that I am disgusted with them now, is simply because after hearing all the evidence, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are guilty - they are guilty of the crimes they are accused of, and almost certainly guilty of even more grievous acts. My disgust stems not from any personal bias, but from a purely logical understanding of their crime. Just look at the speaker of the Houses of Parliament, he was supposed to be neutral, after he left it turns out he was a remainer. No surprise there. I’ve been on juries I’ve seen them in action first hand. If you believe what you said there is no way you could be neutral. Although maybe you would just charge them 10 mill, ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/51 "2019-11-06T17:16:25Z")
Indeed, paying me 10 million isk is an excellent way to ensure my neutral objectivity. ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_en_divalone/32/168600_2.png) [@Aiden\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/52 "2019-11-10T21:45:50Z")
As we all know, Tritanium, Pyerite, Mexallon and all other kinds of minerals are harvested from trees! The whole post makes me feel like you despise the miners for feeding you all the catalyst, guns and void s that you use to gank. Yeah, sure, totally makes sense. Don’t get me wrong, I’m ok with suicide ganking, absent minded ones get what they deserve, afk itself means you take the risk of being ganked. But using afk to justify your action? I laughed so hard when I went to [minerbumping.com](http://minerbumping.com) and read all the rants of James the savior. Allow me to cite some fraction of your beloved savior: “…One of the main problems with highsec miners is that they only care about senselessly accumulating piles of isk. They log in, do something boring to grind out isk, and log out. Next day, same thing. What do they use the isk for? More mining upgrades to grind out more isk.” Ok, let me replace the word “miner” into “mission runners”, “incursion runners”, “ppl with bigger ships”. See the problem? Every carebear in this game are all, to some extent, senselessly accumulating piles of isk. So why haven’t CODE declare war on all carebears and gank every last of them?! I’ve been sitting here senselessly accumulating piles of isk (from emerging conduits) since last month, but seems like no one bothers to declare I’m guilty. The truth is, your dear james doesn’t want to admit he doesn’t have the nerve to challenge anyone other than defenseless, poorly protected miners. I’ll put it straight, CODE is just too coward to gank anything that has the ability to fight back, or anything that is bigger than a mining barge. And no matter how you crown yourselves as “Savior” or “Knights”, in the end, you’re just another criminal, maybe a joke when you fail to gank a venture bait, like last night ROTFL. ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/53 "2019-11-10T21:55:21Z")
I despise bots, and anyone who attacks defenseless lone venture’s who are just starting out in the game as a miner. I agree with the above statement, i’m a isk hoarder, and mission running just allows me to compile isk, spend the little i need to get more ammo, rinse and repeat. but i hoard isk, so i am able to fund other people like @Mike_Azariah who do their part to help the newbs as well. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/54 "2019-11-10T22:30:12Z")
> [@Aiden\_en\_Divalone](#): > > Ok, let me replace the word “miner” into “mission runners”, “incursion runners”, “ppl with bigger ships”. See the problem? No… I don’t see the problem. Today is kills of the week day, check out the latest miner wrecks: > **[MinerBumping.com](http://www.minerbumping.com)** > > Home of James 315 > and the New Order of Highsec ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_en_divalone/32/168600_2.png) [@Aiden\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2019, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/55 "2019-11-11T06:52:37Z")
😧 You don’t see the problem? Well, it’s ok, I don’t expect you to. I don’t need to concern about CODE anymore since I moved away from miner industry, just feel really bad for my fellow corpmates. You know what? They are not bot, they have fxxking dreams! They become a miner to save up isk, so they explore other parts of EVE one day, like explorer, hauler, high-end PVE, or move into nullsec with bigger ships. But after they saved just enough to upgrade their ship, CODE show up and blow their hard earned ship into fireworks, and they either quit the game, or they return to a venture and start over! Anyway, thumbs up for keep stimulating the economy, we do need someone blow things up regularly. But think about my word, if you feel no guilty when killing someone’s dream right in the cradle…it just proves you’re someone with no empathy. It’s a game after all, empathy is not required to play it lol. Have a nice day. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2019, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/56 "2019-11-11T07:20:27Z")
> [@Aiden\_en\_Divalone](#): > > if you feel no guilty when killing someone’s dream right in the cradle…it just proves you’re someone with no empathy. Empathy is exactly why we kill them. They are trapped in an endless cycle of grinding ISK so they can buy those PLEX to finance another month of the same torture. They don’t find their way out without help. A round of antimatter is like a good wake-up call to free the miner out of his self imposed prison. Getting rid of your mining addiction is a 12 point plan and it starts with accepting James 315 as your personal saviour. Only the Supreme Protector and the Code can help you. ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_en_divalone/32/168600_2.png) [@Aiden\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2019, 7:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/57 "2019-11-11T07:45:07Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > They are trapped in an endless cycle of grinding ISK so they can buy those PLEX to finance another month of the same torture. They don’t find their way out without help. Apparently you didn’t read my comment thoroughly. Like I said, not all miners are senseless bots, they grind isk to buy a praxis so they can go kill sansha/poor triglavian rats, or a good astero to jump into wormholes for the riches. They’re humans, and they have aspirations. Even IF they are afk mining, are you sure they’re not enjoying the process? Maybe they’re just chatting happily on the corp chat, with some other afk miners XD Open your eyes and accept the truth that miners choose their own way. You’re free to gank them, the game allows and encourages it, but criticizing afk isn’t going to make you stand on a high ground to justify your action. That’s all I wanted to say, closing the tracker now, goodbye. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2019, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/58 "2019-11-11T08:19:05Z")
> [@Aiden\_en\_Divalone](#): > > Like I said, not all miners are senseless bots They all aspire to become as bot-like as possible without risking a ban. If bots where legal they would totally use one. > [@Aiden\_en\_Divalone](#): > > They’re humans, and they have aspirations Maybe long ago they where human, but not anymore. They are often just an empty husk, without any dreams or aspirations other than more ISK. > [@Aiden\_en\_Divalone](#): > > are you sure they’re not enjoying the process? I’m 100% sure they don’t enjoy the process. That is why they are always so angry. Every time I interact with a miner and blow up their ship they are in a bad mood. Coincidence? I think not, I killed thousands of miners and almost all of them where some grumpy bad sports. I think they actually hate themselves for mining, they know that people look down on them for their addiction. > [@Aiden\_en\_Divalone](#): > > Open your eyes and accept the truth that miners choose their own way. They can totally do that in Lowsec or some wormhole, but in New Order territory (formerly known as highsec) the Code IS the way. > [@Aiden\_en\_Divalone](#): > > you’re free to gank them I don’t really need your permission for that. > [@Aiden\_en\_Divalone](#): > > the game allows and encourages it The game mechanics are completely stacked against it, I wouldn’t call that “encourages it” > [@Aiden\_en\_Divalone](#): > > but criticizing afk isn’t going to make you stand on a high ground to justify your action. We naturally have the moral high ground, it’s not just about a single criticism. ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2019, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/59 "2019-11-11T14:06:54Z")
Isn’t roleplay forbidden out of the fiction portal. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2019, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/60 "2019-11-11T14:19:29Z")
Who is role playing? I’m not btw, I’m completely serious ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2019, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/61 "2019-11-11T14:32:36Z")
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