# What do miners think of bots? **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 2, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548 "2019-10-02T19:54:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/122 "2019-11-12T19:59:28Z")
Only valid story is from CCP. CODE agents are a bunch of players who roleplay they own hisec , and try to enforce that by extorting miners with a “mining permit” if you paying or not is up to you, but lore is valid only if source is from ccp ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/123 "2019-11-12T20:00:33Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > lore is valid only if source is from ccp Well, there you have it. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/124 "2019-11-12T20:08:24Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > CODE agents are a bunch of players who roleplay they own hisec , and try to enforce that by extorting miners with a “mining permit” if you paying or not is up to you Claiming territory by projecting power is like the most basic and regular thing in this game. You don’t need a sov mechanic for that, it works in lowsec, wormsec and highsec just the same and has nothing to do with RP. > [@safira\_jomita](#): > > but lore is valid only if source is from ccp Pretending the NPC’s or lore is somehow relevant, THAT is RP. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/125 "2019-11-12T20:09:42Z")
You can claim I agree, but CODE don’t own hisec. They SAY they do. Nothing against them but truth be told that is. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/126 "2019-11-12T20:12:05Z")
We own highsec in the same way a wormhole or lowsec alliance owns their systems. You can disagree and ignore their rules and probably explode in the process. The difference is that power projection is very difficult in Highsec compared to those other spaces. That’s why highsec PvP is just for the true elite. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/127 "2019-11-12T20:14:18Z")
Why don’t these people just pay for the mining permit? I don’t understand . . . ---
**Author:** ![Complex\_Math](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/complex_math/32/378387_2.png) [@Complex\_Math](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Complex_Math)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/128 "2019-11-12T20:48:21Z")
I don’t like the idea of paying isk for safety. If I wanted to play in total safety, I would play a different game. When I mine, I’m always kind of hoping it will be interrupted with some extra ‘excitement’. Now, if CODE offered a service to pay 10m isk to receive extra ganking, that’s something I might be interested in… ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/129 "2019-11-12T21:04:23Z")
You guys in Solitude must get lonely. ---
**Author:** ![Wyld\_Oneko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wyld_oneko/32/165102_2.png) [@Wyld\_Oneko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wyld_Oneko)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/130 "2019-11-12T21:16:13Z")
Only playing a month, I don’t like the idea of bots. Because I’m out there doing it the hard 🤣 way. I’m still new enough that I haven’t gotten to wrapping my head around alts and additional accounts. Bots, at best, are competition for the occasional trip out to mine. At worst, boo, hiss, shucky darn, ew ew kill it kill it with thermal. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/131 "2019-11-12T21:49:33Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > CODE owns hisec. My opinion is irrelevant I fixed this part of your post. ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 2:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/132 "2019-11-13T02:43:51Z")
When you ask someone if they approve of bots, most likely they will say ‘no’. However, if you ask them ‘would you like some isk without having to work for it’, most likely they would say ‘yes’. Very often, these are the same question, but in the former the apparent advantage goes to someone else, and in the latter the apparent advantage goes to the person being asked. The typical answers hint at a selfish hypocrisy in the people who give them. Agents call this ‘bot aspirancy’. The condition where a person wants to be a bot, but is not in a position to get away with it yet. I’m not making any judgments here, either on you or anyone else, but it is a temptation people should be aware of and endeavor to avoid. Easy money ends up costing more than it is worth, in my opinion. People only seem to value what they truly earn. Give them everything they want or aspire to and they end up profoundly bored and unhappy with themselves. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/133 "2019-11-13T09:37:28Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > > CODE owns hisec. My opinion is irrelevant > > I fixed this part of your post. Nice editing.. if all CODE agents where proactive as you, maybe hisec would truly belong to James by now. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/134 "2019-11-13T09:45:31Z")
It already does. Truly. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/135 "2019-11-13T12:16:06Z")
Yes , yes dear, come , take this pill, (( slowly call the manicomium nurses to contain him,)) ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/136 "2019-11-13T13:13:14Z")
What’s a manicomium nurse? Do you want to tell us more about it? Is it Veldspar addiction related? ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/137 "2019-11-13T16:05:07Z")
Can be , can be. Also related to spaceship destruction. 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![zazzmatazz\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zazzmatazz_xu/32/451037_2.png) [@zazzmatazz\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zazzmatazz_Xu)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/138 "2019-11-13T16:07:04Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > CODE is in the winning business, so we do try to focus on winning, always! This is a fallacy doctrine, a money pit, no matter what all activities in game will always continue as there is no way to stop it completely, go ahead and keep bailing your rowboat with a gaping hole in it, keep you focused on that pointless goal is what everyone will do just for your pleasure. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/139 "2019-11-13T18:18:19Z")
So because the police can never completely eradicate the crime they should just stop go after criminals altogether? The only thing with a gaping hole here is your argumentation. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/140 "2019-11-13T18:27:59Z")
Oh, I thought that was gibberish. I didn’t realize he was saying something. ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548/141 "2019-11-13T23:26:48Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Complaining about CODE and the Alliance Tournament, is basically like criticizing the 1990s Chicago Bulls for ‘forfeiting’ the world championship because they refused to play the Harlem Globetrotters. The world champion boxer doesn’t just accept any challenge from every plebian yahoo at the local brothel. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/3/e376dab14fa495311af58233b50e62ba908ace7c.jpeg) > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > The alliance tournament was in its essence the antithesis to the sandbox. It is an organized “fair” match in a completely made up engagement with rules some dude at CCP came up in his free time. And who are you, sir, to tell anyone else how they are allowed to enjoy this game? The whole point of a sandbox is that every player is allowed to enjoy the game however they want within the limits of the software and the devs’ rules. If you’re not actually interested in participating, that’s fine, if you don’t find tournament-style battles to be fun, that’s _fine_. Neither you nor anyone else are obligated to participate, and since the Alliance Tournament has no tangible effect on your personal style of gameplay (aside from providing you more opportunities to gank important and/or valuable targets) then why would you have a problem with it? What’s it to you if some players decide they want to participate in it, or _any_ tournament, for that matter? As far as I can tell, the only reason CODE. was affected at all by AT XII is because loyalanon decided to try their hand at competing. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Well look, I don’t say you can’t trust the company who said they will only ever add vanity items to the cash shop, or that we will build stargates to completely new regions of space, or that will fly in planets atmosphere or enjoy multiplayer PI and walking in stations. It is up to you if you trust them 😔 [raises a hand to pat Karak on the shoulder] > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > or the most transparent and friendly alliance in EVE that is already known for always winning. Always. 😑 [lowers hand] > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > What’s a manicomium nurse? Do you want to tell us more about it? Is it Veldspar addiction related? According to Google it’s [a song](https://g.co/kgs/4nzZop) from a metal band, and [manicomio](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/manicomio) is a Spanish/Italian/Galician word for an asylum. [looks at @safira_jomita’s post again] …safira, are you _aware_ of what [the triple parentheses have been used for, of late](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses)? Because if not, then I suggest you edit them out of your post so you don’t get mistaken for some alt-right dirtbag. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-miners-think-of-bots/193548.md?page=8)