# What do you feel is a simple change that could increase our playbase? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 30, 2022, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-feel-is-a-simple-change-that-could-increase-our-playbase/382364 "2022-10-30T01:00:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-feel-is-a-simple-change-that-could-increase-our-playbase/382364/147 "2022-11-04T16:51:12Z")
I pitched an alternative player type back in 2019 for similar purposes, but that’s definitely not simple. But I do know one thing: Scammers should have been stamped out a long time ago. New players go to the biggest trade hub in the game only to find a Local chat being consistently spammed by people who don’t even play the game. Are they paying customers, or are they parasites sucking the fresh blood out of the game? I’d say the latter. Exterminate the scammers and let the Hypernet gamblers take over. At least they serve a legitimate purpose. ---
**Author:** ![MILINT\_ARC\_Trooper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/milint_arc_trooper/32/475857_2.png) [@MILINT\_ARC\_Trooper](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MILINT_ARC_Trooper)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-feel-is-a-simple-change-that-could-increase-our-playbase/382364/148 "2022-11-04T16:51:45Z")
@CCP_karkur If there was a small change that would benefit players. Why not increase security status gains in lowsec? You will encourage PVP and PVE in lowsec, because people will want to boost their security status, and currently its a slog in game. Also add another caveat to this security status gain concept…allow players who kill pirate [red players] to gain higher security status rewards? If we increase the potential with the ganking changes of ganking/criminal players being based in lowsec, why not give the potential to said players to PVE NPCs to gain sec status [plus the clone soldier tags] or PVP other low standing, criminal, pirate players? Might drive a bit of activity and action in the mostly deserted lowsec regions. Currently one of the weirdest issues with Security Status, is to gain it by being ganked. [Currently the highest and fastest way to gain security status.] You can run missions with specific ships [Concord] and take advantage of very target rich environments Lv3-4 to get big chunks of Security Status. And PVE NPC ratting is the third best way to gain Security Status, but you have to hunt battleship or clone soldiers to do it “efficiently” its still a slog to do though. ---
**Author:** ![MILINT\_ARC\_Trooper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/milint_arc_trooper/32/475857_2.png) [@MILINT\_ARC\_Trooper](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MILINT_ARC_Trooper)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-feel-is-a-simple-change-that-could-increase-our-playbase/382364/149 "2022-11-04T16:57:04Z")
> [@Ulysses\_Redmane](#): > > I pitched an alternative player type back in 2019 for similar purposes, but that’s definitely not simple. But I do know one thing: Scammers should have been stamped out a long time ago. New players go to the biggest trade hub in the game only to find a Local chat being consistently spammed by people who don’t even play the game. Are they paying customers, or are they parasites sucking the fresh blood out of the game? I’d say the latter. Exterminate the scammers and let the Hypernet gamblers take over. At least they serve a legitimate purpose. It might be worthwhile to nuke the majority bot scammers out of the game, might free up some server space, because of their consistent in game spamming. The Hypernet gambler does both, but it also adds the chance of a player winning the competition net value is increased and also the hypernet host has to buy goods in the market [Hypercores] and the player has to buy the nodes of the Hypernet offer. Scammers are a net no for the game. Hypernet Gambler is better for game health, although I should be honest we have to be careful of the game running afoul of “Gambling Restrictions” that some countries look at in games now a days. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-feel-is-a-simple-change-that-could-increase-our-playbase/382364/150 "2022-11-04T17:17:10Z")
> [@MILINT\_ARC\_Trooper](#): > > Why not increase security status gains in lowsec? You will encourage PVP and PVE in lowse This sounds sensible ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-feel-is-a-simple-change-that-could-increase-our-playbase/382364/151 "2022-11-04T17:23:57Z")
> [@MILINT\_ARC\_Trooper](#): > > Or paying attention to your surroundings and information. Oh. So you have literally no proof. Got it 😃 > [@MILINT\_ARC\_Trooper](#): > > But, I have also run into his @Dracvlad PVP combat local cloak as well. So its probably something going on that particular area because versus the Cyno stuff…its not as widespread. Probably the players using this, are smart in that regard. Right. You and he are somehow the _only_ people in all of New Eden who knows this secret hax. And no one else has ever seen it, but its widespread. Uh huh. > [@Ulysses\_Redmane](#): > > Scammers should have been stamped out a long time ago. Nope. A fool deserves to be parted from their money. How much ISK did you double? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-feel-is-a-simple-change-that-could-increase-our-playbase/382364/152 "2022-11-04T17:38:32Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Nope. A fool deserves to be parted from their money. How much ISK did you double? 😃 A grand total of zero, input or output, and frankly you asking that makes me think you fail to see the forest for the trees. Every new player is a “fool”, they have no other option. No amount of wiki reading is going to give them enough direction to avoid all the pitfalls they will surely encounter. They should be succumbing to pitfalls that involve actual gameplay, not bots leeching off of their naivete. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-feel-is-a-simple-change-that-could-increase-our-playbase/382364/153 "2022-11-04T17:40:01Z")
Um. When I started EVE in 06, I knew not to give my money away randomly to a dude for nothing 😃 Again, fools deserve to be parted from their money 😃 You don’t gotta lie bruv. How much did you buy the shuttle for? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-feel-is-a-simple-change-that-could-increase-our-playbase/382364/154 "2022-11-04T17:42:37Z")
You already got your answer. Don’t expect continued replies if all you want to do is accuse and deflect. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-feel-is-a-simple-change-that-could-increase-our-playbase/382364/155 "2022-11-04T17:43:37Z")
I’m asking a question bruv. The only person this salty about scammers, have gotten scammed. I made my first 100 mil back in my newb days due to the shuttle grift 😃 Best day of my newbie life 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-feel-is-a-simple-change-that-could-increase-our-playbase/382364/156 "2022-11-04T17:48:17Z")
Again: You got your answer. 100 mil is toilet paper to someone that’s got access to Navy rat cruisers or Level 4 missions. We’re talking about new players that can’t afford to lose 100 mil to a scam contract and will most surely quit the game. Eating a ship loss sucks. Eating an ISK loss because of a contract system you do not fully understand has turned away many a player. Let me frame it a different way: Would you prefer a foolish newbie quits the game over a contract, or a foolish newbie making it to FW so you can actually see some action against them that you’ll probably win? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-feel-is-a-simple-change-that-could-increase-our-playbase/382364/157 "2022-11-04T18:04:24Z")
Quit the game 1000%. If someone cannot be bothered to Google a game that’s been out for near 20 years, they deserve all of the pain coming toward them 😃 100 mil was a lot for me to gain as a newb 😃 And all it took was a quick search about EVE to learn about scamming and how to do it. And this was 06. Its 2022 bruv. I no longer buy this babe in the woods newb excuse. You can literally Google these things. > [@Ulysses\_Redmane](#): > > Eating an ISK loss because of a contract system you do not fully understand has turned away many a player. Oh? Drop the proof bruv 😃 Where’s the data besides your opinion? ---
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-feel-is-a-simple-change-that-could-increase-our-playbase/382364/158 "2022-11-04T18:05:48Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Where’s the data besides your opinion? ![everetention](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/5/c/55c59a84627f2c01e942b7c0a12bf31d4a40d64b.png) ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-feel-is-a-simple-change-that-could-increase-our-playbase/382364/159 "2022-11-04T18:11:31Z")
ROFL. My guy. You realize that proves nothing right? You are saying these numbers are due to them being scammed and quitting. Where is the proof correlating those numbers to your hypothesis? Sigh. I really do feel like if research methods were a mandatory class peeps had to take, it would alleviate some of these things. This isn’t proof bruv. ---
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-feel-is-a-simple-change-that-could-increase-our-playbase/382364/160 "2022-11-04T18:13:24Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > You realize that proves nothing right? You do realize that you’re asking me a loaded question right? As in, I can’t conjure metrics that CCP doesn’t and in fact can’t measure short of sending a survey to every person who quits EVE. How tiresome. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > You are saying these numbers are due to them being scammed and quitting. No I’m saying that some amount of them did that. The prompt of this thread is how to increase the playerbase. Are you here to discuss player retention or reminisce about '06? Carrying on with that thought, it’s not just the people GETTING scammed that leave. It is entirely possible for a player to encounter this environment and simply decide they don’t like it. If I want to actually do anything related to trade in Jita local I have to block six people and try to advertise contracts right on top of scammers, spammers, hypernet dealers, etc. It’s time to trim the proverbial hedge. Maybe you’re getting the wrong impression here. I’m not telling you that you should feel bad or be retroactively punished for pulling a grift contract at some point. I’m saying that we need to make an overdue change to the nature of the game’s High Sec social environment. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-feel-is-a-simple-change-that-could-increase-our-playbase/382364/161 "2022-11-04T18:35:44Z")
> [@Ulysses\_Redmane](#): > > You do realize that you’re asking me a loaded question right? As in, I can’t conjure metrics that CCP doesn’t and in fact can’t measure short of sending a survey to every person who quits EVE. How tiresome. It isn’t loaded bruv. You made a claim which you can’t back up 😃 And your pride is preventing you from saying the truth, in which that this is your opinion but not fact. > [@Ulysses\_Redmane](#): > > Maybe you’re getting the wrong impression here. I’m not telling you that you should feel bad or be retroactively punished for pulling a grift contract at some point. I’m saying that we need to make an overdue change to the nature of the game’s High Sec social environment. I don’t feel bad and def shouldn’t be punished 😃 We don’t actually. Instead, how about spending some time in rookie chat, educating the nubs? I bet you won’t tho 😃 And now you’re moving goal posts because you know you can’t back your claim. Must have been some shuttle eh? 😃 So no, getting rid of scamming won’t increase player rentention. Instead, teach the nubs how to scam 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-feel-is-a-simple-change-that-could-increase-our-playbase/382364/162 "2022-11-04T18:37:20Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > And your pride is preventing you from saying the truth, in which that this is your opinion but not fact. Again, you can’t see the forest for the trees. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Instead, how about spending some time in rookie chat, educating the nubs? This character’s been in Federal Navy Academy since it was created. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-feel-is-a-simple-change-that-could-increase-our-playbase/382364/163 "2022-11-04T19:00:11Z")
> [@Ulysses\_Redmane](#): > > This character’s been in Federal Navy Academy since it was created. That’s nice. That isn’t rookie chat 😃 > [@Ulysses\_Redmane](#): > > Again, you can’t see the forest for the trees. Oh I can bruv. I get why you threw the red herring out 😃 It isn’t my fault you make claims without proof bruv. ---
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-feel-is-a-simple-change-that-could-increase-our-playbase/382364/164 "2022-11-04T19:05:42Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > It isn’t my fault you make claims without proof bruv. You’re essentially making the claim that no new player in the history of EVE has ever quit because they were scammed or saw the trade hub is full of scams. Do you think that’s particularly reasonable? ---
**Author:** ![Ully\_Loom](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ully_loom/32/501057_2.png) [@Ully\_Loom](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ully_Loom)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-feel-is-a-simple-change-that-could-increase-our-playbase/382364/165 "2022-11-04T19:47:17Z")
Hi the late New Eden, I was passing by, by chance, November obliges, to see what CCP could offer us that was different, other than simple cosmetics, and what I came across, I give it to you in 1,000? NAVY-style COSMETICS! Crazy ! [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/a/5/aa5dec846e86cb55077388d5b76badd82d6a1b47.jpeg "EVE Online | New Navy Ships in Uprising") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqTi0YjV4lw) So suddenly, I take a look at the forum and there, another surprise! BlaBlaBla! My God ! Because we like to go into the old tune on this forum… To believe that the speakers of this forum do not even know how to read anymore… > [@3 Thing you would like to see changed in Eve Online](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/3-thing-you-would-like-to-see-changed-in-eve-online/376799): > > What are 3 things you would like to see changed. And add your reasoning if you would like. Make all ships and modules crafted by players while removing legacy BPOs Remove modules from NPC drops and add short run BPCs Remove BPOs, replace with longer run BPCs Ability to research BPCs This includes BPOs already in the game — Shake up industry a bit — Easier to transport BPCs than modules — Too many fully researched BPOs out there no longer providing an isk sink Make distance matter more f… > [@3 Thing you would like to see changed in Eve Online](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/3-thing-you-would-like-to-see-changed-in-eve-online/376799/32): > > Hello @Oshien , There are really a lot of very interesting ideas swarming under this topic, but the most important of all are not there; so here they are, some of which have already been mentioned in other threads; it is therefore also an opportunity for me to synthesize my thoughts around the potential future of EvE Online, and this in 3 x 3 = 9 points: 1- CCP must commit to never again interfering with New Eden by manipulating game parameters and rarity; the parameters as well as the rarity … And some still continue to wonder why players are gradually fleeing this game? My God ! So ! I salute you fossils… All this smells of warming up here… Ully Loom ---
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