# What do you miss about Eve that is now gone? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 8, 2019, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755 "2019-05-08T18:35:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Kildare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_kildare/32/416948_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Kildare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Kildare)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/446 "2020-01-17T14:59:58Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Sadly, I’m going to find for myself it seems. I accepted an invite to join the blue donut. An old friend asked me to join so what the hell. He said the same thing when I asked about resupply. My subs run out in Feb, maybe I’ll stick around a little longer just to give it an honest chance. Oh noooooooe! ;D Well, my corp and I are withdrawing (mostly) from WH space after a fun 19… no, 20 month run now. So back to HS for now and NPSI PVP and NPSI PVE fleets mostly. BUT… I would be open to trying nullsec one day. Corpmate of mine trying to get me, the CEO, anyone else… to come join karmafleet, as he’s in goons (and I don’t really have anything against goons in EVE compared to the average grrr goonser… however, I do have some residual anti-Something Awful bias from some internet hijinx back in 2003-2005ish… too long a story and too off-topic for here). He’s almost got me convinced (biggest USTZ nullsec group, no other real options, etc. etc.)… I wish there was room for smaller groups in NS like there is for small groups in WH space (outside of C6 space, that is), but… alas. One must either resist the blue donut or join it. There is no fighting it (for very long, at least)… from what I see/hear. P.S. my subs run out in Feb as well, what a coincidence! did you, like me, switch from year long subs last summer when CCP started doing the 3 month sub + 3 month MCT deals? I’ve been on 2 rounds of that (x3 toons) for a total of 6 months sub and 6 months MCT now… and it’s nearly at an end. I hope CCP either does another round of 3 month sub/MCT here in a bit or else… back to a good/decent 12 month sub deal? Otherwise I might just have to start plexing (partially, at least) like some of my space-richer friends in game. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/447 "2020-01-17T23:43:35Z")
> [@Sylvia\_Kildare](#): > > Well, my corp and I are withdrawing (mostly) from WH space after a fun 19… no, 20 month run now > [@Sylvia\_Kildare](#): > > what a coincidence! Funny, I just crawled out from a 2 yr stint in a WH! ( 89 Bil in PI, top 1% in my vid! 🤪 ) > [@Sylvia\_Kildare](#): > > did you, like me, switch from year long subs last summer when CCP started doing the 3 month sub + 3 month MCT deals? No, it had to be last March/April that CCP did something that pissed me off for the last time. I don’t even remember what it was, after all the times CCP pulled the rug out from under us, you lose track. Since then, I got ready to unsub. My longest sub ran out in Feb and I kicked myself for being stuck for so long. I subbed the other 2 acct’s to time out at apx the same time. I just got sick of CCP seeing a problem/abuse and taking the easy way out. Nerf the ship and not the game mechanics that promote the problem/abuse. I like to pick on Goons (Grrr, Goons 😡 🤣 ) because its their job is to break the game. (If they didn’t do it, someone else would) And you have to respect whomever came up with Gridfu, lol. [http://will.neoprimitive.net/grids/gridfumanual2.pdf](http://will.neoprimitive.net/grids/gridfumanual2.pdf) > [@Sylvia\_Kildare](#): > > however, I do have some residual anti-Something Awful bias from some internet hijinx back in 2003-2005ish… too long a story and too off-topic for here). These are the stories I would like to hear! lol I’ve heard some tales from the older players, but its like me trying to tell new players what it was like when I joined. You just had to be there… 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 4:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/448 "2020-01-18T04:58:50Z")
And just to repeat myself, I miss when the game was worthy of a short! 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 5:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/449 "2020-01-18T05:48:50Z")
I haven’t been playing for long, but there are some specific people who I miss. ---
**Author:** ![Ravid\_Bheskagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ravid_bheskagor/32/472687_2.png) [@Ravid\_Bheskagor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ravid_Bheskagor)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/450 "2020-01-18T11:57:15Z")
The average online players is 21 thousand. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Kildare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_kildare/32/416948_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Kildare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Kildare)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 3:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/451 "2020-01-22T03:42:29Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Funny, I just crawled out from a 2 yr stint in a WH! ( 89 Bil in PI, top 1% in my vid! 🤪 ) > > No, it had to be last March/April that CCP did something that pissed me off for the last time. I don’t even remember what it was, after all the times CCP pulled the rug out from under us, you lose track. Since then, I got ready to unsub. My longest sub ran out in Feb and I kicked myself for being stuck for so long. I subbed the other 2 acct’s to time out at apx the same time. > > I just got sick of CCP seeing a problem/abuse and taking the easy way out. Nerf the ship and not the game mechanics that promote the problem/abuse. I like to pick on Goons (Grrr, Goons 😡 🤣 ) because its their job is to break the game. (If they didn’t do it, someone else would) And you have to respect whomever came up with Gridfu, lol. > > These are the stories I would like to hear! lol I’ve heard some tales from the older players, but its like me trying to tell new players what it was like when I joined. You just had to be there… Ugh, I really sucked at keeping up with my PI. And I was only doing it with 3 toons, I have corpmates doing it with 6, 9, etc. I might do it in a c3 at some point with 5 toons… but I’m not training my other 4 into PI right now. Ah. (to your unsub vs. sub recent histories). As for Gridfu… that pdf file (I didn’t even click on it, I’ve seen it before ;D) was done by a Goon, I believe. and yeah… my stories from back then are from website vs. website battles, not spaceship battles. ;D I didn’t start playing EVE in 2013. Internet is (or was) just a small place once upon a time. ---
**Author:** ![Obed\_Marshh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/obed_marshh/32/459118_2.png) [@Obed\_Marshh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Obed_Marshh)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/452 "2020-01-22T23:10:47Z")
I miss my stealth bomber being able to launch cruise missiles. ---
**Author:** ![ARES\_DES1DERATA](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ares_des1derata/32/462269_2.png) [@ARES\_DES1DERATA](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ARES_DES1DERATA)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/453 "2020-01-24T15:52:04Z")
The old atmosphere - the classic eve music, the classic nebulae, the classic stations, the classic everything. I wish CCP would bring some of that stuff back. The new stuff is good too but they shouldn’t have completely gotten rid of the old stuff in the process. It would be nice to have a mixture of both, with some of the classic eve still in the game. The old Executioner model - the new one is trash… the old one looked so cool. Meanwhile, they left the Atron model and the Thorax model as they are. (the Thorax even slightly hangs downward as though it really is a semi-flaccid phallus that is slowly losing it’s hard-on). At least make it straight ffs. And as for the Atron - take the two half-ships that it’s made of, and turn them into two separate models that we can choose from, the same way we choose our paint jobs. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Kildare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_kildare/32/416948_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Kildare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Kildare)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2020, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/454 "2020-01-25T08:19:27Z")
> [@ARES\_DES1DERATA](#): > > The old Executioner model - the new one is trash… the old one looked so cool. Meanwhile, they left the Atron model and the Thorax model as they are. (the Thorax even slightly hangs downward as though it really is a semi-flaccid phallus that is slowly losing it’s hard-on). At least make it straight ffs. And as for the Atron - take the two half-ships that it’s made of, and turn them into two separate models that we can choose from, the same way we choose our paint jobs. I dunno, I rather like the new executioner model… but then, I’m not an Amarrian pilot originally, tho I do have a couple alts… As for Thorax and Atron… no… come on, man. Gotta fix the Imicus and Helios first. They’re atrocious! ---
**Author:** ![Zirconium\_Solkaze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zirconium_solkaze/32/173693_2.png) [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zirconium_Solkaze)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 6:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/455 "2020-01-30T06:08:30Z")
They really should have released Dust on PC as its own game and later added an addition to CQ that allowed eve players to connect to dust. I was really looking forward to what could have been and I never got to try dust out even though it looked like a great game. ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/456 "2020-01-30T07:27:32Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > And i still prefer the old neocom icons. After years of the new ones i still find myself mixin them up or having to concentrate more than i feel I should before i find the one i want because they look alike. I remember CCP Ytterbium. He had no idea of the study he was reading and too big of an ego to admit it. Colours are always faster to differentiate than symbols, peripheral vision or not. On topic: I miss proper highsec antagoism and people who aren’t as soft as a ten ply sheet of toilet paper. @BC_Hastings My respect, Sir. o7 ---
**Author:** ![Equinoxx\_Dethahal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/equinoxx_dethahal/32/179145_2.png) [@Equinoxx\_Dethahal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Equinoxx_Dethahal)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/457 "2020-01-30T14:35:20Z")
Honestly the need to put dust in the eve client. id also like to see a factorio style PI game. Like you can do normal PI, or run the factorio PI client, to really maximize the production. Theres a lot they could do to sort of star citizen this game. Its sad ccp wasted so much resources on projects destined to fail. The standard eve game serves such a great foundation for a multi game universe if it were only connected into one game world. If i could queue up for fps fw for isk on my normal eve account id absolutely do it between other eve activites. If i could factorio my PI set up I would. If I could valykari client for exploration using my ships I would. But I cant, it doest exist, the flight sim eve game is separated, and dust is dead on a legacy PlayStation ecosystem. ---
**Author:** ![Olivia\_Kusoni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/olivia_kusoni/32/281966_2.png) [@Olivia\_Kusoni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Olivia_Kusoni)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/458 "2020-01-30T14:52:20Z")
i miss being able to log in and stay in game. anything beyond that presently is all gravy. ---
**Author:** ![Taloris\_Aldercain](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/taloris_aldercain/32/317529_2.png) [@Taloris\_Aldercain](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Taloris_Aldercain)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/459 "2020-01-30T15:20:19Z")
The web browser. Kept me inside the game, playing the game, as I multi-tasked. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/460 "2020-01-30T16:04:41Z")
The servers 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Tak\_Goden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tak_goden/32/260085_2.png) [@Tak\_Goden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tak_Goden)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/461 "2020-01-30T17:03:29Z")
> [@Rekindle](#): > > I’ve been playing this game since 2005 and have outlived, Eve wise, most of the developers involved with the game. I’ve paid the equal of a mortgage on a small cottage in my time. I honestly liked the direction of the game a decade ago much more than I do right now. > > tldr the thing that keeps me in the game the most is not the game at all but the community! I hope the game lasts because I like the community. CCP needs to redefine their community for themselves. I think the community understands itself better than CCP does. CCP should invest in tools, features and services that benefit the community. > > The current sterilization of the game along with all-in on F2p is concerning. I intend to be constructive in my opinion but lets take a look back…back…back…in time…time…time…to when Eve was better…better …better. > > **Pre-CSM Eve:** > If I’m mistaken please correct me, but I struggle to find a feature or idea presented by the CSM in modern times that actually benefited individuals and players communities. CSM came up because someone stole some blue prints. I miss the days when CCP would think for themselves and didn’t just pander to the top 3 major factions. I get that those three factions is where your money is and the way you have your representation system set up, it will stay that way. > > **Travel in Eve** > > I remember when there were two jump bridges possible in a single system and I also remember an era with no jump fatigue. Big factions were playing with ships so CCP nerfed capital travel (probably a CSM idea). Probably the worst ever mechanic to ever get introduced: Jump fatigue. Its implementation is so very bottom heavy, affecting the smaller groups the worst. The game was so much less tedious prior to this crappy, crappy mechanic. > > **Pre-fozzie sov (sorta)** > > The old sov system wasn’t that great but Fozzie sov is terrible and has resulted in exactly what they tried to design against - stagnation. I have to imagine sov is flipping even less these days. At least with the old sov system and the old api i could read dot-lan and get an idea of what was going on in the universe. > > **Pre-upwell structure spam** > > Seeing stupid named structures in every single last system in the game is just a sad sign of the mudflation that’s occurred. The current batch of developers didn’t play Ultima Online so they didn’t get to see what happens when you allow spam-housing to enter your game. Separating the work flows of refining and production is just more tedium. I miss the content that came with POS and I think that spamming structures into enemy space is another lame tactic. > > **Passive game play** > > What are there so many bots out in the field? A lot of reasons…but has anyone ever considered the upsurge in botting when CCP started swipping at the passive incomes in the game. Moon mining and off grid boosting are examples of systems that were passive. Passive income now goes to factions who run upwell structures and collect the taxes (CSM again I’m convinced). > > All and all this game was super amazing and worth talking about a decade ago. Today its been diluted and sterilized for “balance” and as their stats indicate. I put fourth that the lack of symmetry in Eve , designed on purpose in the beginning, is what really made it interesting. The developers today are running it like a business, fine…but over half the ship skill tree is defunct and there’s only so many different ways you can “mine” in a single sitting {roids, moongoo, entosis links = the same mechanic). > > A game can be fair and non symmetrical! > > Not only have you made some changes that really erode at the unique aspects of this game but you’ve done it in total lop sided ways. Rorqs are OP and need to have nerfs done to them. The VNI is making too much isk…but its perfectly fine to sit AFK in a cloaky ship for the entire duration of the up time cycle …because they are paying customers. > > Things to make Eve better: > > 1. Get rid of the CSM popularity contest > > 2. Regroup your product on the idea you are providing a service to a community (not a game). > > 3. Look for ways to make building and maintaining communities easier. You managed to screw up the in game map 3 times since 05 and have completely screwed up the chat system but you just can’t seem to fix any of the old clunky corp code or come up with a way to boot an AFK fleet commander in a fleet of 400 people. > > 4. For the love of god enough skins / hats crate already!! > > 5. You are building a SPACE game …add some SPACE elements. Do you know that the majority of stars in the universe are in binary pairs? > > I hope we’re still here in 10 more years talking about how Eve was different. With respect to the fact the GM / Dev’ing a game like Eve is a brutal job as far as making everyone happy… I think that pre CCP Fozzie _anything_ is better than after he laid his hands on it. It seems like everything he changed or touched was made worse, or at least made more unpopular. ---
**Author:** ![Frazer\_Scott](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frazer_scott/32/182658_2.png) [@Frazer\_Scott](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frazer_Scott)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/462 "2020-01-30T17:51:25Z")
I miss the time before warp to 0. That was fun. ---
**Author:** ![Solomar\_Espersei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solomar_espersei/32/174500_2.png) [@Solomar\_Espersei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solomar_Espersei)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/463 "2020-01-30T21:00:06Z")
**Suddenly Ninjas and the Ninja Lifestyle** I was a director for many years and we trained so many players in basic hunting skills. All of those friends gone now thanks mostly to Crimewatch. So many fun aspects of the game were killed by that one change. so many friends, their blogs (My Loot, Your Tears and Aiden’s Finders & Keepers) which were highly influential and so entertaining, all gone now. No one ever said it was elite PVP, but it was fun and introduced many people to the thrill of shooting other players. If only you could have seen our Ninja Swarms of Vigils invading missions back when loot and salvage actually mattered. **Can Flipping** I made so many friends this way and so did many in this thread, at least those of us who still care and play. The removal of which has made high sec ridiculously quiet. Local isn’t even needed anymore in places like Ruvas, Umokka, and so many others places. Seriously, why was it a bad thing that people flew around in Merlins and the like and got in fights with other players? **The Old Ways of War Deccing** This led to explosions, lots of them. There was a time when moar explosions was moar gud… **Kil2 Videos and Podcast** Hey, he can play once again so maybe there’s a chance… **Scrapheap Challenge** Such a fun resource, gone I guess due to apathy. **The Old Aura** How could it not be simple as cake to make this an option in the ESC menu? I can even use other voices on Waze on my phone and it’s a free app. **The Old Jukebox** I would often listen to _Miners Stories_ and _But Still We Go On_ on heavy rotation… surely this is not a difficult thing to bring back. **The Original Invasion Events** I really feel bad for folks who missed this. A smarty-equipped Sansha carrier in High Sec podding newbs whilst can flipping and fur balls fights were going on all over the grid. It was glorious. **The old HML Drake and Whelp Cane meta** Terrible nerfs that should be undone. **Hot Swapping with an Orca** So much fun, a pity that it doesn’t work anymore. **Rooks and Kings Videos** So good… **The Alliance Tournament** I can’t imagine that a Kickstarter Campaign wouldn’t raise insane amounts of cash to fund this if need be. **The Old Rifter** RIP ---
**Author:** ![Claire\_42a](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/claire_42a/32/334911_2.png) [@Claire\_42a](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Claire_42a)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/464 "2020-01-30T23:12:21Z")
Not going to talk about nerfs etc. but overall 7 years ago, when I first started playing, New Eden felt alive and dangerous and difficult. Today, it’s empty and if not, full of bots. Many, many people who made this sandbox super fascinating quit and I feel this mostly. I have no doubt they got replaced but nobody new today (or post 2 years ago) can possibly experience this universe the way I did when I started my journey. Apart from that I miss station environments. I know a lot of people are going to whine about that but I enjoyed sitting in that station, while doing stuff afk. And I still don’t know what’s behind that door. What Else: They should have introduced the option to paint your ship different colours (Homeworld) like so many people wanted, not a skin money grab. And the worst thing about Eve today is a free to play version called alpha which killed everything. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2020, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/465 "2020-01-31T00:17:53Z")
> [@Claire\_42a](#): > > And I still don’t know what’s behind that door. 😂 An enduring mystery! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755.md?page=22) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755.md?page=24)