# What do you miss about Eve that is now gone? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 8, 2019, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755 "2019-05-08T18:35:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![Theodyval\_Kinging1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theodyval_kinging1/32/415265_2.png) [@Theodyval\_Kinging1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theodyval_Kinging1)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 1:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1109 "2022-01-11T01:06:04Z")
I still miss MTUs in starter systems. Is CCP really afraid that a starter character will immediately buy a combat scanner and probes, probe down a mission pocket, and warp to it, see that the mission runner has for some reason put a corp ad on his MTU, and have a bad feeling about it? ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 7:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1110 "2022-01-11T07:54:57Z")
No, the issue was a few people decided to anchor a ton of MTU spam in the starter systems next to the stations, thus filling up new players overviews with a bunch of empty MTU trash. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1111 "2022-01-11T10:08:35Z")
Simple fix, remove MTUs from overview options … ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1112 "2022-01-11T10:09:08Z")
HA ! Yep ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1113 "2022-01-11T10:46:31Z")
Brand new players are just beginning to learn the game, there’s a lot of stuff they need to learn very quickly such as how to do skill training, access the market, fit up and pilot their ships. Setting up and customizing their Overviews isn’t a high priority right at the start. ---
**Author:** ![Anneloreke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anneloreke/32/297328_2.png) [@Anneloreke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anneloreke)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1114 "2022-01-11T11:18:28Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Setting up and customizing their Overviews isn’t a high priority right at the start. Yet that’s the first thing I did, getting my overview in order, and questions about the overview regularly pop up in the noob chat. It seems to be a high priority for new players regardless of your opinion here. Without an overview that suits your play you might as well autopilot and afk the whole way. A familiar overview is indispensable for any capsuleer, new or old but especially new. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1115 "2022-01-11T11:23:29Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Setting up and customizing their Overviews isn’t a high priority right at the start. Yes it is. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1116 "2022-01-11T11:24:53Z")
Most new players right at the start are trying to learn the game and how to work the basic interface, not dive deep into customizing their overview, regardless of your opinion here. * * * > [@Verlyn](#): > > > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > > > Setting up and customizing their Overviews isn’t a high priority right at the start. > > Yes it is. Prove it,… ---
**Author:** ![Anneloreke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anneloreke/32/297328_2.png) [@Anneloreke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anneloreke)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1117 "2022-01-11T11:26:36Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > Yes it is. Of course it is. DeCrimson either don’t know what he’s talking about or he takes his case for a generality. ---
**Author:** ![Anneloreke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anneloreke/32/297328_2.png) [@Anneloreke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anneloreke)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1118 "2022-01-11T11:35:27Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > …and how to work the basic interface… Yea, and the Overview is one of the most important parts of the interface. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1119 "2022-01-11T11:37:02Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Prove it,… Why the ■■■■ would I waste my time with this ? It’s common knowledge Overview Packs being handed out to noobs for smooth riding the interface … ---
**Author:** ![Gretek\_Moergyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gretek_moergyn/32/379137_2.png) [@Gretek\_Moergyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gretek_Moergyn)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1120 "2022-01-11T11:39:16Z")
> [@Mesacc](#): > > I too started in 2005, right after the fall of SWG. What I miss most was that everyone was new. There were no high skilled vets lurking around every corner waiting to ruin your day. Sure the same D-baggery that happens now was allowed back then… but no one knew about it. No one knew the game inside and out, every little trick, every little exploit, every little advantage. No one knew how to Dr. Strange a fight and predict every possible outcome from every possible ship with every possible loadout. Almost everyone was on equal ground as far as how the game worked. I could not agree more! ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1121 "2022-01-11T11:41:15Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > It’s common knowledge Overview Packs being handed out to noobs for smooth riding the interface … Common knowledge that brand new players are getting handed Overview packs, lol, yeah right… ---
**Author:** ![Anneloreke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anneloreke/32/297328_2.png) [@Anneloreke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anneloreke)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1122 "2022-01-11T11:44:43Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > not dive deep into customizing their overview I like how you try to portray new players, as some 2nd-grade morons who don’t know what end of the ship faces forward. I realize it helps your ego but, regardless of your opinion, it’s not the reality. Lots of people coming to this game have enough smarts to realize that an Overview that works for them is one of the most important things in the game. Treating new players like school children may raise your ego but it won’t help them. Quit treating new players like 7-year-olds. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1123 "2022-01-11T11:52:41Z")
No one actually truly new is going to do any overview editing, if only because they don’t even know what the overview IS. ---
**Author:** ![Anneloreke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anneloreke/32/297328_2.png) [@Anneloreke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anneloreke)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1124 "2022-01-11T11:55:14Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > No one actually truly new is going to do any overview editing, if only because they don’t even know what the overview IS Then why did I edit my overview within an hour of play? Why did I tinker with it for an entire hour not two hours into starting the game? Why do we have questions in the Help Chat about the Overview from noobs not a day old? New players _do_ know what an Overview is, they’re not retarded. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1127 "2022-01-11T11:58:29Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > No one actually truly new is going to do any overview editing, if only because they don’t even know what the overview IS. Exactly, 100% correct. Especially when most are more concerned with learning how to operate the basic controls. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1129 "2022-01-11T12:04:53Z")
> [@Anneloreke](#): > > Then why did I edit my overview within an hour of play? Why did I tinker with it for an entire hour not two hours into starting the game? You didn’t, you might have done it on this alt but when you started playing, however many years ago, you didn’t. > [@Anneloreke](#): > > Why do we have questions in the Help Chat about the Overview from noobs not a day old? > New players _do_ know what an Overview is, they’re not retarded. Most seriously have no clue. The ones that magically do are alts pretending to be new, not new players. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1131 "2022-01-11T12:08:10Z")
I’m in NPC starter Corp and most brand new players ask about accessing the Market, fitting ships, skill training, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1138 "2022-01-11T14:16:43Z")
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