# What do you miss about Eve that is now gone? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 8, 2019, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755 "2019-05-08T18:35:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 89
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1815 "2025-06-10T19:11:23Z")
The permanent ice systems in high sec. ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2025, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1816 "2025-06-10T21:04:15Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > permanent ice 100% ↑ ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1817 "2025-06-11T02:00:19Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/4/6/a46c620881a3dc480592f780a6ac544825bf2f96.jpeg "Animal House - Fat, drunk and stupid") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkoPq5AOCOA) Should have been fat, drunk and lazy. Meh… I’ll take the flag. ---
**Author:** ![Shion\_Ishii](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shion_ishii/32/389684_2.png) [@Shion\_Ishii](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shion_Ishii)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1818 "2025-06-12T00:07:54Z")
> [@Shion\_Ishii](#): > > I miss the ship burning and smoking when it went into hull. The current thing feels lacking. It’s also wonky in that it changes on session change (upon jumping, docking, etc.) It makes it feel cheap. It lacks gravitas. Heeeey! > **[Fire & Smoke Mass Test | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/fire-and-smoke-mass-test?utm_source=launcher&origin=launcher&utm_content=en)** > > Set each other ablaze on Singularity on 12 June ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1819 "2025-06-12T00:27:09Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > It consisted of one room, with a door that didn’t go anywhere… And a balloon that follows you around… ![2690a3db1aab3af2674612760dad19a8](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/7/e/57ee4a1f6ffce08f006b1d689438965037917ca0.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1820 "2025-07-08T17:51:46Z")
They nerfed that too eh? wow. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1821 "2025-07-08T18:11:16Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > ice systems in high sec Ice in HighSec should only spawn in random anomalies (very small amounts, not enough to be attractive for a massmultibox fleet, but useful for active newbros in smaller ships) and some scannable ice signatures (larger amounts, better quality but players would have to actively search for them and be quick to move their miners and harvest them, before someone else does → small and active groups rewarded). The fixed ice systems that respawn huge amounts of ice for massmultiboxminers that farm them day after day after day by the clock are a ridiculously stupid resource mechanic. The more that nonsense gets nerfed, the better. ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1822 "2025-07-08T19:08:17Z")
If you say so. I just think there’s better ways then taking a reductive approach each and everytime. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1823 "2025-07-08T19:17:23Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Ice in HighSec should only spawn in random anomalies (very small amounts, not enough to be attractive for a massmultibox fleet, but useful for active newbros in smaller ships) and some scannable ice signatures (larger amounts, better quality but players would have to actively search for them and be quick to move their miners and harvest them, before someone else does → small and active groups rewarded). > > The fixed ice systems that respawn huge amounts of ice for massmultiboxminers that farm them day after day after day by the clock are a ridiculously stupid resource mechanic. The more that nonsense gets nerfed, the better. Okay. Sure. Keep nerfing High Sec and buffing Null sec. I’ll keep dropping PLEX and selling it for billions. All you’re doing is turning High Sec into Pay to Win. While I’m sitting on my riches, I’ll watch ship and fuel prices continue to go up more and more and more. Inflation doesn’t hurt those that have the income to overcome it. I love PLEX. And with this new Global PLEX market feature? I don’t even have to go to Jita anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1824 "2025-07-08T20:01:35Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Inflation doesn’t hurt those that have the income to overcome it. Since never in the history of EVE it was easier to make ISK, _especially_ for newbros, Inflation absolutely doesn’t matter. People painting this big scary shadow of “inflation inflation!” on the wall since I begun playing that game. And it never mattered much, since the ways of generating ISK always outpaced the price increase of things. Especially the usual daily-business ships and items are absolutely affordable these days. > [@Rekindle](#): > > just think there’s better ways then taking a reductive approach each and everytime. Nobody talked about “reduction”. The total amount of Ice in HS can stay absolutely the same. It could even be _increased_. But it should be in locations where _active gameplay_ (aka searching, scanning and securing them) is rewarded. Not mass-logging in your own altfleet of 20 Hulks + Orca in the ever same system, timed by a clock and farming away huge static icebelts multiple times a day by the same guy over and over again. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1825 "2025-07-08T21:22:36Z")
So not true. But amusing! Ships being 2 or more times the price they used to be, ice being an anomaly now instead of a permanent structure you could mine forever 24/7, etc… So not true that ISK just falls from the sky for every High Sec player. Good laugh though. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1826 "2025-07-08T21:26:17Z")
I heard ganking is easy. You could do a few ganks and then have easy isk. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1827 "2025-07-08T21:56:13Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > So not true. Absolutely true. I do it. Despite living in WHs, I have HS alts that print money. Often more than what I make in JSpace. Because HS content spawns endlessly and you hardly need to care for hostiles, so you can almost effortless repeat whatever content you like, for as long as you like, almost any time of the day. Nothing easier than to make billions each month in HS. Single-Account, not even multiboxing needed. ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1828 "2025-07-08T21:57:22Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Nobody talked about “reduction”. Im speaking to the general idea that from the outside observer - what your community accepts as feature updates and expansive ideas, seems to be a long , long chain of nerfs. It actually began in my time when carrier ratting became a cardinal sin. Then they did the moon mining changes which really upset the nuance of null sec…then PA CCP took over and besides abyssals - which are indeed rather enjoyable, many many of the ‘features’ - blackout, the industry changes (just wtf) and a whole slew of combat changes = they’re not additions = they’re NERFS. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1829 "2025-07-08T21:58:14Z")
> [@Rekindle](#): > > seems to be To the uninformed outsider. Yes. For someone who actively plays the game, not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1830 "2025-07-08T21:59:32Z")
I’m a long term veteran of this game, and a former large community manager. I’ve organized more CTAs and Sov Defenses than I care to discuss with you. People who might play the game, but do not play - still have a voice. In fact - there’s a whole server worth of us in exile. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1831 "2025-07-08T22:01:08Z")
Back to your island! ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1832 "2025-07-08T22:05:45Z")
> [@Rekindle](#): > > I’m a long term veteran of this game, and a former large community manager. I’ve organized more CTAs and Sov Defenses than I care to discuss with you. Then you either lost track from all your absence or should know better. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1833 "2025-07-08T22:08:35Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > > [@QuakeGod](#): > > > > It consisted of one room, with a door that didn’t go anywhere… > > And a balloon that follows you around… > > ![2690a3db1aab3af2674612760dad19a8](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/7/e/57ee4a1f6ffce08f006b1d689438965037917ca0.jpeg) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/7/b/67bd26f58c9525232e4e3f9871ff6d652ae322c8.jpeg "The Simpsons - Homer Escapes A Big Bubble") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE8nXRg-LpY) ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755/1834 "2025-07-08T22:09:14Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Back to your island! Heya Akio. You probably dont remember me - but we had some interesting exchanges. Over the years. Glad to see you’re still active an enjoying your craft. rek [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755.md?page=88) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755.md?page=90)