# What do you think of ganking? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 28, 2025, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-ganking/487734 "2025-05-28T13:27:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ian\_Zhang](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ian_zhang/32/511534_2.png) [@Ian\_Zhang](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ian_Zhang)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2025, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-ganking/487734/1 "2025-05-28T13:27:06Z")
I used to gank two miners before. I was too sleepy that I didn’t realize what I’ve done. Still feeling sorry for it… I think ganking is an important thing in eve. There must be a reason for why it exist. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2025, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-ganking/487734/2 "2025-05-28T13:49:37Z")
> [@Ian\_Zhang](#): > > There must be a reason for why it exist. Yeah, to promote that _booh hooh EVE is so dangerous yadda yadda_ thingy. A shame it’s so boring and repetetive, but well, at least you can massmultibox it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DeMichelle\_Geniale](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichelle_geniale/32/450875_2.png) [@DeMichelle\_Geniale](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichelle_Geniale)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2025, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-ganking/487734/3 "2025-05-28T13:58:12Z")
> [@Ian\_Zhang](#): > > I think ganking is an important thing in eve It only exists in Hisec, it can’t be _that_ important. Though I’m sure it’s a blast. ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2025, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-ganking/487734/4 "2025-05-28T14:32:54Z")
It’s neither important nor necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Sere\_O\_Asis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sere_o_asis/32/374997_2.png) [@Sere\_O\_Asis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sere_O_Asis)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2025, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-ganking/487734/5 "2025-05-28T17:08:49Z")
@Ian_Zhang I’ve written about this more than once, so I’m just going to link an earlier post of mine that addressed your question: > [@Ian\_Zhang](#): > > There must be a reason for why it exist. > [@Nerf Ganking Megathread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/7474): > > It’s stated here, back in 2005: we often piss people off, but it’s a necessary evil with PvP games, you always have to be on your guard for imbalance and as a result, we lose a lot of customers for it. —Nathan Richardsson, senior producer on the EVE project in early 2004 Mr. Richardsson unambiguously calls EVE Online a pvp game. Full article here: [Interview: Evolution and Risk: CCP on the Freedoms of EVE Online](https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/interview-evolution-and-risk-ccp-on-the-freedoms-of-eve-online)@Gix_Firebrand does have some justification for his position on pvp being a cor… My post is from a thread back in 2021. It references an article written 2005, if I recall correctly. As referenced, in the article, the original developers of EVE were pvpers. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2025, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-ganking/487734/6 "2025-05-28T17:30:51Z")
Good read, Richardsson seems to know MMOs well: > We don’t like instancing and we don’t like sharding and we believe that too much focus on player versus environment is taking us more closer to the newly coined term ‘Massively Single Player Games.’ Many players who complain about ganking don’t want EVE to be an MMO. They want to fly in EVE as a in single player space game where they can see their ISK go up and where they can fly ever bigger ships with no unpredictable risks. While I think that those people too should have fun in games, I think those games should be a _different_ game than EVE, as EVE is an MMO in the truest sense of the word. I’ve played many MMOs and EVE is the only one where I really feel like I’m part of a world with many other players. Often in ‘MMOs’ those other players too exist, but that’s about all they do: they are simply there. They do not affect me one way or another, they might just as well not be there for my gameplay. Only in EVE are all those other players impacting my game world, up to massive battles with thousands of other players fighting each other. This brings me to what I think of ganking: I think it’s good that in this game players can impact each other everywhere in the game, positively and negatively. It’s what makes this game good and unique. Without ganking a massive part of the universe would have no such interaction and would cease to be an ‘MMO’. That part of the game would simply be a ‘Massively Single Player Game’. Boring. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2025, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-ganking/487734/7 "2025-05-28T17:36:58Z")
They complain about EvE because they don’t like EvE. ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2025, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-ganking/487734/8 "2025-05-28T17:42:32Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I think those games should be a _different_ game than EVE What a terrible opinion to have. You see things as black and white. When, in reality, there’s more gray. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2025, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-ganking/487734/9 "2025-05-28T19:09:45Z")
Ganking is unbalanced. For example using cargo scanners on other players in high sec should give suspect timer and the EHP on freighters is low. It seems like 1B worth of cargo and above makes it likely you get ganked in them. But anyone moving 1B in a freighter probably only makes 20M if its a courier, and if its an industrialist moving mats his profit margin might be 10-20%? So he is risking 3.5B including the freighter for trying to make 100M to 200M 🙂 I think thats why among other things the economy is kind of bad. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2025, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-ganking/487734/10 "2025-05-28T19:45:04Z")
> [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > anyone moving 1B in a freighter probably only makes 20M if its a courie Haulers set their own fees. ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2025, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-ganking/487734/11 "2025-05-28T19:46:09Z")
> [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > he is risking 3.5B Even a spaceship game should see the implications. Concord should be defensive, before the fact. Cleaning up after the kill is just silly. It only discourages pilots with expensive ships. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Rochard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/john_rochard/32/373864_2.png) [@John\_Rochard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/John_Rochard)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2025, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-ganking/487734/12 "2025-05-28T23:29:24Z")
> [@Ian\_Zhang](#): > > I think ganking is an important thing in eve. I think there is something missing here. The larger definition of what we define as “ganking”. Many of us define ganking as attacking unarmed and outmatched ships. This is going to happen since little children do play Eve Online and cannot make a PvP score otherwise. Under educated space miners are going to continue to get attacked unless they are more aware of their surroundings. The last time I was ganked, was last December in low sec. I am talking about the gas venture not the shuttle in Ahbazon. I am a very active miner, so the team who caught me should be honored. However when I jump on my PvP character, I don’t need to swat at flies for a score. My definition of PvP should be 2 or more armed ships locked in combat. Some call gate campers “gankers”. If they are just spamming smart bombs to destroy every ship on a given flight path, then they are gankers or the universal worst at fishing with dynamite. However, if they are cargo scanning and picking their targets, then I would upgrade them to pirates. I personally don’t gate camp, it sounds very boring to me. Blasting on miners in low sec, wormholes, and null is completely expected. The only time I see people attacking mining operations in high sec, is for some very obvious errors on the miner’s part. If you are a new naive miner in high sec, don’t do the following; - Don’t open jetcans other than your own. For Pete’s sake, you must know it is wrong to flip a can? You had to adjust your protection level ( the green idiot light ) from green to yellow just to perform such an act. - Don’t show up with the **billion ISK** venture fit! If their ship costs less than yours, it is so “worth it”. - Don’t chat with or brag to potential gankers. They are not there, in a fully fitted warship, to make friends. I would rather do hunt and destroy in one of my cruisers than swat at flies. I am more about the PvP challenge than just crushing some rando in a can. Scores are not important, surviving the combat is the reward. That is just my play style and code of ethics. You do as you see fit. Fly safe o7 ---
**Author:** ![Gealbhan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gealbhan/32/452651_2.png) [@Gealbhan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gealbhan)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2025, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-ganking/487734/13 "2025-05-28T23:53:51Z")
What do I think of ganking? It has it’s place just like everything else in EvE. Tank up, have good situation awareness as in don’t afk mine, stay aligned and you _should_ be able to avoid 99% of gankers. You’re never 100% safe ofc. oh and never fly what you can’t afford to lose. ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/456813_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2025, 3:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-ganking/487734/14 "2025-05-29T03:10:32Z")
> [@Ian\_Zhang](#): > > I think ganking is an important thing in eve. There must be a reason for why it exist. It’s fun having them in Highsec. 🙂 Too bad Anti-Ganking was ruined. That’s no fun. 😐 ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/456813_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2025, 3:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-ganking/487734/15 "2025-05-29T03:32:58Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/c/7/dc729a7c1cd6ab07bdd10f1d66c240f5e46c9cc5.jpeg "How to Bait Gankers with an Alpha Clone in Eve Online - Version 2") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPAogi3B0hM) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/c/2/dc2f84b0e98e7dbf52e1b0cc1ae0a032045f73ad.jpeg "Eve Online : How To Ruin a Gate Ganker's Day") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc4nU0lmxRA) 👆This Guys also having their own fun.. Eve-Online is fun.. 😊 For the others, stop being salty. 🤗 ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2025, 3:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-ganking/487734/16 "2025-05-29T03:42:15Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > ‘Massively Single Player Games.’ That hits the _absurdity_ of if right on the head. People logging into a _multiplayer_ game to solo fight NPCs or to endlessly mine to get ISK that just pile up. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Many players who complain about ganking don’t want EVE to be an MMO. They want to fly in EVE as a in single player space game where they can see their ISK go up and where they can fly ever bigger ships with no unpredictable risks. Of course these people don’t like PvP, and especially not killboard, as such things highlight their total aversion to any risk. These are the people who think anyone actually playing the game as intended and doing PvP is ‘griefing’. So they essentially want to turn EVE into Farmville, rather than just go play Farmville instead. Frankly, I think it is wonderful when these people get ganked and reminded of the true nature of EVE that will continue despite all their whining. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2025, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-ganking/487734/17 "2025-05-29T07:29:51Z")
Everyone: Ganking is low risk and high reward Gloria Exercitus: Why do you log in to play solo? ---
**Author:** ![Yahamssi\_Judihuijj](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yahamssi_judihuijj/32/392777_2.png) [@Yahamssi\_Judihuijj](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yahamssi_Judihuijj)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2025, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-ganking/487734/18 "2025-05-29T07:32:02Z")
Ganking is the best thing since sliced Bread ---
**Author:** ![Nannaras\_Inkura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nannaras_inkura/32/468519_2.png) [@Nannaras\_Inkura](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nannaras_Inkura)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2025, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-ganking/487734/19 "2025-05-29T09:15:28Z")
PvPing since UO back in 1997 and countless PvP games since, I think ganking is for people who can’t PvP. Jumping a mission running marauder with a command replication software and a bunch of catalysts to make billions while being protected by Concord until it’s too late is lame, that’s not PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Molea\_Enjoyer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/molea_enjoyer/32/449451_2.png) [@Molea\_Enjoyer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Molea_Enjoyer)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2025, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-ganking/487734/20 "2025-05-29T09:32:38Z")
CCP supports ganking. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-ganking/487734.md?page=2)