# What do you think would bring eve into a new golden age **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 10, 2023, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274 "2023-01-10T14:11:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2023, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/685 "2023-02-23T22:12:10Z")
That’s _right,_ Aiko, you can’t prove that god _doesn’t_ exist. _Checkmate,_ atheist. 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2023, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/686 "2023-02-23T22:17:28Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > That’s _right,_ Aiko, you can’t prove that god _doesn’t_ exist. That’s right Destiny, you can’t prove that god exists Draw 👹 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2023, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/687 "2023-02-23T22:39:51Z")
What I mean is that this is basically what their rebuttal comes to. No one can prove that they _aren’t_ alts of elite null-sec _ **REAL** _ PvP mains who have been playing since “before beta.” They think this is an important distinction for some reason, whereas all _we_ want is to see some semblance of proof that the people giving instruction for how players should play the game, and how CCP should develop it, actually actively play the game even a _little tiny bit,_ and it becomes very much obvious that they _don’t,_ because everything they say is so asinine as it deals _specifically_ with the understanding of baseline game mechanics. Even a tiny sliver of kill board activity would help with this. Even if a person shows like 10 kills and 30 deaths over the course of 8 years, with most of them being to NPCs, that at least shows _some_ semblance of active gameplay. But they don’t even have _that._ Do you ever notice how the players most vocally arguing against ganking also make a point to mention how they themselves have never died to gankers? I and many of my PvP friends have most definitely died to gankers (among other similar encounters), and something tells me that these hidden-profile MLG pro champions aren’t better than us at this game as far as PvP matters are concerned. So why haven’t they died to gankers? They could be _lying,_ of course, but it’s more likely that they simply aren’t actual EVE players. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2023, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/688 "2023-02-23T22:56:03Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/a/9/fa9c929b1a397375626accc55965ef91d9be2a44.webp) ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/689 "2023-02-24T00:30:57Z")
We have CSM members who we look up to for that role. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 2:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/690 "2023-02-24T02:29:11Z")
The CSM can’t help the game anymore. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 2:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/691 "2023-02-24T02:35:33Z")
Back to “EVE grew to fast”. I think CCP is happy with the numbers! There growing again? What’s the tipping point where they don’t want more? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 5:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/692 "2023-02-24T05:34:40Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > whereas all _we_ want is to see some semblance of proof that the people giving instruction for how players should play the game Is this a fact? There is no actual proof that _ **we** _ even need to be forced back into order by that _ **witch** _ or her permit scam crew. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > So why haven’t they died to gankers? Not everyone had died to a ganker while holding a valid permit. / > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > What’s the tipping point where they don’t want more? They would show up on server load reports with the login server taking a beating when numbers increase. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/693 "2023-02-24T09:42:29Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > There is no actual proof that _ **we** _ even need to be forced back into order by that _ **witch** _ or her permit scam crew. How much did you spend on them permits? 🤔 🤭 ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/694 "2023-02-24T10:15:20Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > forced back into order by that _ **witch** _ ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/5/6/75694465382dca303b70b1414b557545d71ff2ed.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/695 "2023-02-24T12:27:43Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > your killboard’s better than their killboard It’s not about better or worse. It’s about having actual _experience_ of the thing being commented on. For example…I don’t comment on faction warfare PVE, as I have never done any. How can a person reliably comment on how hard or easy ganking is if they have never ganked ? Same goes for actually being ganked. The forum is way too full of people who want to argue what they think is _someone else’s_ experience…yet provide zero evidence that they themselves have first hand experience of said issue. When people come on with their super secret alts that have no activity for years…or in some cases, ever at all…the rest of us are thus provided with no evidence that they have actually ever played the game. So what _is_ the source of all these highly opinionated views ? ---
**Author:** ![Shiny\_Garemoko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shiny_garemoko/32/440221_2.png) [@Shiny\_Garemoko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shiny_Garemoko)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/696 "2023-02-24T12:41:13Z")
Really would hope people had learned these last few years that trusting ‘experts’ is an incredibly stupid thing to do. The appeal to authority or those with ‘real’ experience in a subject is asinine. A good idea is a good idea no matter who says it. A bad idea is a bad idea no matter who says it. Grow a brain. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/697 "2023-02-24T12:45:54Z")
> [@Shiny\_Garemoko](#): > > Grow a brain ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/d/b/0dbe19315748f52b48d00fe9ac6ea1c086d47268.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/698 "2023-02-24T12:47:21Z")
I guess it’s another Dracvlad alt? ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/699 "2023-02-24T12:47:25Z")
> [@Shiny\_Garemoko](#): > > A good idea is a good idea no matter who says it. A bad idea is a bad idea no matter who says it. This is tautologically true, which is useless. We’re all discussing the quiet part you left out: how a person can tell the difference between an idea „being good“ and „being bad“. For some that does involve appeal to experience and/or establishing personal credibility, in _order to_ evaluate merits of the arguments. Perhaps you should be less abrasive, and take your own advice as earnestly as you expect others to. ---
**Author:** ![Shiny\_Garemoko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shiny_garemoko/32/440221_2.png) [@Shiny\_Garemoko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shiny_Garemoko)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/700 "2023-02-24T12:50:40Z")
Just following the tones I see on these forums. A lot of people here could be less abrasive. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/701 "2023-02-24T12:52:56Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/b/6/db655707d4a5b449a4f1b3caa55648e3e8728b9d.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/702 "2023-02-24T12:53:35Z")
I get it. When my neighbor shits their pants and calls it fashion, I let them know it’s a terrible idea by shitting the bed. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/703 "2023-02-24T15:33:43Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > How much did you spend on them permits For the information that was extracted along with the scouting/scanning lessons received, we couldn’t place an actual price on those. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/704 "2023-02-24T19:10:53Z")
> [@Shiny\_Garemoko](#): > > A good idea is a good idea no matter who says it. A bad idea is a bad idea no matter who says it. > > Grow a brain. Eating babies is a really good idea. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274.md?page=34) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274.md?page=36)