# What do you think would bring eve into a new golden age **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 10, 2023, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274 "2023-01-10T14:11:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1010 "2023-07-26T19:35:05Z")
1 Billion ISK. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1011 "2023-07-26T20:55:27Z")
Nope, records show that fine was already paid. We would like to know why are you kicking over old stones? ---
**Author:** ![Cleopatra\_Ail](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cleopatra_ail/32/379424_2.png) [@Cleopatra\_Ail](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cleopatra_Ail)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1012 "2023-07-26T21:34:13Z")
Yes, fracture the huge coalitions into alliances at max. Null sec should be full of thousands of different orgs, not just a small few ---
**Author:** ![Pariah\_Omen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pariah_omen/32/379143_2.png) [@Pariah\_Omen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pariah_Omen)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1013 "2023-07-27T00:33:50Z")
War hqs and structure reqs for war are the primary reason that only one group is relevant in highsec and no competition will ever rise due to this. ---
**Author:** ![Thikadan\_Waylong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thikadan_waylong/32/379109_2.png) [@Thikadan\_Waylong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thikadan_Waylong)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 2:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1014 "2023-07-27T02:14:07Z")
EVE Online has never left its ✨ golden age ✨ ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 6:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1015 "2023-07-27T06:11:16Z")
> [@Cleopatra\_Ail](#): > > Yes, fracture the huge coalitions into alliances at max. Null sec should be full of thousands of different orgs, not just a small few I think the problem is, that’s literally not how humans have evolved to operate and exist. There already isn’t an eve sanctioned entity bigger than an alliance. These massive blocs exist out of the game through their own channels and relationships. The entire arc of human evolution is banding together into bigger groups for safety and productivity. I’m not sure how you dismantle that in a game designed around the framework of how humans interact with each other without destroying that framework. ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_doshu/32/369845_2.png) [@Erik\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 7:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1016 "2023-07-27T07:03:24Z")
> [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](#): > > We have been In more of a stagment time where we have only had about 21 thousand players daily which is not bad compared to starscape (which If you would play it please do so it needs the players) I think crosovers could work possibly giving them a taste of eve well not giving them eve. might give us a lot of players Remove Alphas. Remove Skill injectors. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1017 "2023-07-27T09:25:41Z")
> [@Cleopatra\_Ail](#): > > Yes, fracture the huge coalitions into alliances at max. Null sec should be full of thousands of different orgs, not just a small few Coalitions by themselves do not exist in terms of game mechanics. Alliance is the highest level. There is no way to prevent people and groups to spontaneously band together, unless by royally pissing them off so they leave the game. If you want to break the power of any big group, you have to fight them, without developer involvement btw. It’s really that simple. For that you need a … “big, well-organized group”, not “thousands of different orgs” in nullsec. But hey, let’s get this TTC thing done to completion first, and then the renter space. But I seriously doubt that anyone not willing to fight/negotiate/risk for their piece of the map now will be any serious contender in nullsec in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Flatulent\_aberration](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/flatulent_aberration/32/380074_2.png) [@Flatulent\_aberration](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Flatulent_aberration)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1018 "2023-07-27T09:39:30Z")
What would bring a new Golden Age to Eve you ask? @Mindahouf_Davaham Simples. As has already been stated: Good advertizing - Nujenif\_Talvanen [Including of] New reasons to play and engage - Kezrai\_Charzai [Reasons that] Focus on retaining old players and on generating new ones @Gadget_Helmsdottir [Reasons including, 1] Fracturing of the large coalitions - Cleopatra\_Ail [2] Removing of alphas and skill injectors - Erik\_Doshu [3] Getting rid of bad faith, pay to progress schemes - Wesfahrn [4] Getting rid of high sec PvP - Destiny\_Corrupted [All in order to] re-instill the thrill of overcoming difficulty - Aiko\_Danuja How then to achieve all these _complimentary_ outcomes? Even more simples. Scrap unused(?) test server and relaunch it as Fresh Start server. Advertize for 3-6 months in advance of launch. Maybe Christmas 2023? Anyone who logs onto “Fresh Start” after Christmas can have as much prior playing experience of Eve as they like. Just, no SP transfers, no assets. And, with no pre-existing toons, no SP can be extracted for injectors. At least, not initially. Yes, CCP can still sell their multi-flavored starter kits, includung SP. But not in bad faith. Because you will see them coming! Alphas could still play Eve, but ONLY on “Experienced Server”. If they ever turned omega they can then play on either server. But, anyone new or old playing on the Fresh Start has to, 1) start a fresh toon, 2) have a paid omega account on ONE of the two servers. This would work for CCP finaciually because any existing paid omega (ie NOT a Plexed account) would have the right to a complimentary toon on Fresh Start. But, only ONE toon. No alts. No other accounts. Fresh Start-lite if you will. If they wanted more, they would also have to pay for a full-Fresh Start account. All of those existing big alliances, PvP players, space-rich muppets? Gone. All would be in the same boat as everyone else at the launch of the Fresh Start space-grab, coming to you, 25 Dec 2023. Think of the thrill of having ALL that PvP experience and not a single pew pew ship, other than can be generated from the tutorials? Let the gods of Chaos rejoice! Meanwhile, the Experienced Server would still exist for all those who like their toys. And it need not die 'cause it would still be the only option for “free to play”. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1019 "2023-07-27T09:56:16Z")
> [@Thikadan\_Waylong](#): > > EVE Online has never left its ✨ golden age ✨ Delusional _adjective_ 1. characterized by or holding false beliefs or [judgements](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=AB5stBjl-ccM2Gf2vXEhmLXcv0bGP01f4Q:1690451767684&q=judgements&si=ACFMAn9-5A9OMKPWcg180I9o9MndiPoEqQMc0kfUVy3vXm2mdFhoenj0Rvk52w5W2QzAtOLE4Z2-9pc5ehzKy2nIjd7IkUI7vg%3D%3D&expnd=1) about external reality that are held despite [incontrovertible](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=AB5stBjl-ccM2Gf2vXEhmLXcv0bGP01f4Q:1690451767684&q=incontrovertible&si=ACFMAn-MEfVI62vymwr6dcPcO-R5jTN_6u6AdhgCIauOJg-x6iqq3gCc-pYjb8zZMRRBewRPwUpuUeKwTVGiYMEMQ4sBvVhzMJIRIfQAIGP1FtX-M7-ocpo%3D&expnd=1) evidence to the contrary, typically as a [symptom](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=AB5stBjl-ccM2Gf2vXEhmLXcv0bGP01f4Q:1690451767684&q=symptom&si=ACFMAn_otZSKbpzAqD_RvWk4YSL-U5o7J2pNW7gN8iRwmb51uqzXM3ouhi-MktFlTcSu07MkBeeYITNYYjZPnzzt-tS6oQgSWA%3D%3D&expnd=1) of a mental condition. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1020 "2023-07-27T10:02:24Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > There is no way to prevent people and groups to spontaneously band together, Evolution has taken a step backward, ## Null Sec ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/a/5/1a5ae640c75cad41e0f28b0ff07250e2119c63c6.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Thikadan\_Waylong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thikadan_waylong/32/379109_2.png) [@Thikadan\_Waylong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thikadan_Waylong)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1021 "2023-07-27T11:09:15Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Delusional > > _adjective_ > > 1. characterized by or holding false beliefs or [judgements](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=AB5stBjl-ccM2Gf2vXEhmLXcv0bGP01f4Q:1690451767684&q=judgements&si=ACFMAn9-5A9OMKPWcg180I9o9MndiPoEqQMc0kfUVy3vXm2mdFhoenj0Rvk52w5W2QzAtOLE4Z2-9pc5ehzKy2nIjd7IkUI7vg%3D%3D&expnd=1) about external reality that are held despite [incontrovertible](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=AB5stBjl-ccM2Gf2vXEhmLXcv0bGP01f4Q:1690451767684&q=incontrovertible&si=ACFMAn-MEfVI62vymwr6dcPcO-R5jTN_6u6AdhgCIauOJg-x6iqq3gCc-pYjb8zZMRRBewRPwUpuUeKwTVGiYMEMQ4sBvVhzMJIRIfQAIGP1FtX-M7-ocpo%3D&expnd=1) evidence to the contrary, typically as a [symptom](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=AB5stBjl-ccM2Gf2vXEhmLXcv0bGP01f4Q:1690451767684&q=symptom&si=ACFMAn_otZSKbpzAqD_RvWk4YSL-U5o7J2pNW7gN8iRwmb51uqzXM3ouhi-MktFlTcSu07MkBeeYITNYYjZPnzzt-tS6oQgSWA%3D%3D&expnd=1) of a mental condition [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/8/e/38e402b089846a8be91e9346d1dcdd7872cfbfad.jpeg "check out the big brain on brad") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrm-rPSCIBw) ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1022 "2023-07-27T11:13:58Z")
Feeling a little judgmental today, or just plain prejudiced ? ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1023 "2023-07-27T11:43:19Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/4/a/74ae458c0c232af21633fd28660807c88d24c67b.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1024 "2023-07-27T12:56:02Z")
> [@Flatulent\_aberration](#): > > This would work for CCP finaciually because any existing paid omega (ie NOT a Plexed account I don’t think you know how PLEX works. When someone uses PLEX to run their account for a month, CCP gets MORE money than someone just buying Omega. Why would CCP want to discourage that activity? > [@Flatulent\_aberration](#): > > All of those existing big alliances, PvP players, space-rich muppets? Gone. The big alliances would exist day 1. Do you really think starting over would somehow disrupt the massive network they have out of game? They would exist as fast as it took their HR people to hit ‘accept’ on the corp invites. If you want to kill eve, splitting servers is probably the single best way to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Pariah\_Omen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pariah_omen/32/379143_2.png) [@Pariah\_Omen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pariah_Omen)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1025 "2023-07-27T15:50:09Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > There is no way to prevent people and groups to spontaneously band together, The problem is that CCP creates game mechanics to literally favour blobs. Its not natural evolution that made War HQs and war eligibility. CCP created the dominance of the superpacs with Skill injectors, tax farms, war hqs and structure requirements, peace periods… etc. All accounts are free. you can multibox as many as your computer can handle and thats done by CCP design. CCP created mechanics to allow all this simply to favour bigger fights. They literally destroyed any competition to the superpacs to make them bigger and in doing that have destroyed the player driven experience and the butterfly effect for every single player other than the one pyramid in charge now. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1026 "2023-07-27T16:13:17Z")
> [@Pariah\_Omen](#): > > CCP created the dominance of the superpacs with Skill injectors, tax farms, war hqs and structure requirements, peace periods… etc. The concept of the blue doughnut existed well before skill injectors - or many of these other items. I’m not saying that these items didn’t reinforce - or make life easier for the large alliances, but these items didn’t create them either. –Rembremancer Gadget ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1027 "2023-07-27T20:21:17Z")
> [@Pariah\_Omen](#): > > ts not natural evolution that made War HQs and war eligibility The big groups, Imperium and Winterco and pandemic don’t care at all about war hqs or war eligibility. None of that has anything to do with super organizations in null. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1028 "2023-07-27T21:04:02Z")
They cared quite a bit, since some of their leaders went on record bragging about how their CSM lobbying campaigns directly led to the system being changed. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1029 "2023-07-27T21:23:45Z")
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