# What do you think would bring eve into a new golden age **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 10, 2023, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274 "2023-01-10T14:11:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mindahouf_davaham/32/379996_2.png) [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mindahouf_Davaham)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1120 "2023-09-26T18:00:43Z")
it sort of is but sort of smart as well as I would have never stared playing with out alpha and I still play and am almost at two years now ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1121 "2023-09-26T18:07:10Z")
> [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](#): > > I would have never stared playing with out alpha Maybe I’m biased. ---
**Author:** ![Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mindahouf_davaham/32/379996_2.png) [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mindahouf_Davaham)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1122 "2023-09-26T18:10:09Z")
Oh trust me I agree with you that alpha is a bad idea but they should make it clear before people start playing in there ads that alpha is a trail in a sense ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1123 "2023-09-26T18:12:27Z")
> [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](#): > > they should make it clear They should make a _real_ trial period, maybe 3 months or something. I don’t know why people like to play half a game. ---
**Author:** ![Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mindahouf_davaham/32/379996_2.png) [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mindahouf_Davaham)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1124 "2023-09-26T18:15:07Z")
its because ships like the parxis exists and make no reason to switch ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1125 "2023-09-26T18:18:13Z")
But what about all those skills they can’t train and/or can only be trained halfway? Anyway. People can do what they wish by CCP so oh-well. Not my business, literally. ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1126 "2023-09-26T18:41:25Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > How about, move all level 3 and 4 agents and mission locations to low sec. Too punishing, esp L3 missions, to be outright moved to LS. Funny, the BRM mechanic should actually apply to high sec, so people running stuff in HS are paid substantially less. Would need to drastically increase payout for missions completed in LS to match the drastically higher risk and inevitable pvp interactions / delays. They really need to put a focus on revamping pve content almost across the board. It’d take a year of dev time to do but would be well worth it IMO. I think this next FW pirate style could be a great step in the right direction though for immersion with pirate factions, they need some of this stuff to bleed into HS too and create a whole pvp ecosystem in HS ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1127 "2023-09-26T18:47:39Z")
> [@Phaade](#): > > Too punishing, esp L3 missions, to be outright moved to LS. Well, I think missions up to L4 are a good way even for newbies to learn how to use ships up to BS-size (generally fitting, seeing the difference in mobility, damage range, application compared to the smaller ship sizes). The only current problem is, that for a high-sec acitvity, they simply pay too much, especially when professionally blitzed and burner missions included. My advice would be to leave L3 and L4 in highsec, but significantly reduce the LP-payout for highsec-agents. So people could still do them, but not get multiple hundred million ISK per hour out of them in HighSecurity Space. ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1128 "2023-09-26T23:29:16Z")
You just need a series of updates the focuses on players most frequently requested features and to fix most commonly requested issues. Then you need to improve and expand on what already exists but in subtle and intelligent ways. Easier said than done i guess. But CCP is WAY of base at the moment ---
**Author:** ![Azazod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azazod/32/336190_2.png) [@Azazod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azazod)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1129 "2023-09-26T23:36:14Z")
We need to be able to use nukes against mining ships. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1130 "2023-09-27T00:19:18Z")
Mining Barges equipped with bombs to blast giant chunks of Ice from Ice Planets would be good for New Eden ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1131 "2023-09-27T01:14:25Z")
> [@Sienna\_Massilia](#): > > But what about all those skills they can’t train and/or can only be trained halfway? Because they don’t really need them? ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 1:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1132 "2023-09-27T01:58:33Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Because they don’t really need them? **Anyway. People can do what they wish by CCP so oh-well. Not my business, literally.** 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 2:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1133 "2023-09-27T02:40:06Z")
I agree, but i think the majority of payout is in bounty, thus the BRM suggestion. The actual completion payout is pretty bad ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1134 "2023-09-27T10:26:23Z")
Not even close. Mission blitzing focuses on getting as much LP as possible in the shortest time and then exchanging these LP for a high ratio, mostly faction item blueprints. You make a lot more ISK from this exchange than from the mission bounties. ---
**Author:** ![Kanavaisto\_Askiras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kanavaisto_askiras/32/387775_2.png) [@Kanavaisto\_Askiras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kanavaisto_Askiras)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1135 "2023-09-27T11:14:55Z")
Instance all pve content unscannable…the pve population would explode in seconds. And simply end the phrase ‘this is a pvp game’ because it never was pvp only for 20 years…pvp is just a loud minority that’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1136 "2023-09-27T11:45:44Z")
> [@Sienna\_Massilia](#): > > The Alpha clone idea is a very bad idea One interesting aspect of this has been the impact of Alphas on the in-game economy. Im not sure if CCP Games still has an in-House economist (I think not) but there’s some interesting papers out there that analyze the Eve Economy 2020 and later. In particular one paper found that the introduction of Alpha accounts created an economic situation that is, counterintuitively, harder for new players. Its analysis was pre-Scarcity. Inflation and cost of ships rose as Alphas gained access to ISK, meaning they had constant purchasing power. Furthermore the economic gains by players is ruthlessly captured by the skilled, multiboxing, and well connected veteran players, meaning new industrialists are counterintuitively priced out of being competitive at even entry level industry with the higher possible sale prices. It has to do with „inside money“ versus „outside money“ but it didn’t go into much detail there, but it was fascinating to see how all the economic metrics derived in the paper went haywire as soon as Alphas showed up. ---
**Author:** ![Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mindahouf_davaham/32/379996_2.png) [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mindahouf_Davaham)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1137 "2023-09-27T12:04:58Z")
may have been a sign saying that scarcity plus alphas mad things go to hell ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1138 "2023-09-27T12:56:31Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > it was fascinating to see how all the economic metrics derived in the paper went haywire as soon as Alphas showed up. I’m sure it was. I wasn’t born before or during Scarcity and I don’t know much about EVE except what a 4-month player is supposed to know but I can tell that Alpha Clone State isn’t advantageous either for CCP or the players in general… except maybe for gankers once the Alpha clone stops being a noob and flying in noob systems. But I also think it’s a little late to revert back to subscription-only game, not without pissing off a lot of players. Maybe CCP is damned if they do and damned if they don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1139 "2023-09-27T13:02:04Z")
> [@Sienna\_Massilia](#): > > I wasn’t born before or during Scarcity Hey! You’re 12 years old too! Sweet. I’m not the only 12 year old that plays this game! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274.md?page=55) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274.md?page=57)