# What do you think would bring eve into a new golden age **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 10, 2023, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274 "2023-01-10T14:11:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1140 "2023-09-27T13:04:40Z")
> [@Kanavaisto\_Askiras](#): > > And simply end the phrase ‘this is a pvp game’ because it never was pvp only for 20 years…pvp is just a loud minority that’s all. That’s a bit like a miner saying Eve is solely a mining game. ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1141 "2023-09-27T13:07:03Z")
@Ax_l_Thorne 😆 I wish I was back to 12yo. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1142 "2023-09-27T13:11:36Z")
> [@Kanavaisto\_Askiras](#): > > Instance all pve content unscannable…the pve population would explode in seconds. How about, No. > [@Kanavaisto\_Askiras](#): > > And simply end the phrase ‘this is a pvp game’ because it never was pvp only for 20 years…pvp is just a loud minority that’s all. Somebody’s been laboring under some sort of delusion. Elite Dangerous, solo play is that way —\> ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1143 "2023-09-27T13:11:49Z")
Then you can apply the same thing to LP payout to make the system work ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1144 "2023-09-27T13:13:13Z")
> [@Kanavaisto\_Askiras](#): > > Instance all pve content unscannable…the pve population would explode in seconds. And simply end the phrase ‘this is a pvp game’ because it never was pvp only for 20 years…pvp is just a loud minority that’s all. That would probably break the economy, no? Afk ishtars are already extremely lucrative, even while taking losses. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1145 "2023-09-27T13:26:19Z")
What do you mean with “the same thing” and “yet system”? My suggestion is to cut LP-payout in HighSec so blitizing them for mass-LP-grinding isn’t as lucrative any more as today. Also rewarding people that actually run this content in Lowsec a lot more, compared to those doing it in HighSec. ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1146 "2023-09-27T13:34:58Z")
Sorry, auto correct. Yeah basically i agree. The BRM system could extend to HS to reduce payouts in overly run mission hubs etc. Then increase payouts in low sec by double or triple, at least. LS is way too dangerous to justify the tiny increase in payout over HS, which makes no sense. They should also reduce NPC presence in heavily structured (for lack of a better word) Nullsec systems / constellations to force those players out of their precious capital umbrellas to farm. Etc. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1147 "2023-09-27T14:00:48Z")
> [@Phaade](#): > > The BRM system could extend to HS Hasn’t CCP set the floor to 100%? So nothing would actually change to HS as those systems would always stay at 100% payout. ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1148 "2023-09-27T15:40:03Z")
Yes, but at a time it was 50% - the concept is all i mean to say ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1149 "2023-09-28T14:05:09Z")
Just to be clear CCP gets $5M every year from Icelanding Government, this is shielding them from the consequences of their own actions. It enables the same people to stay at CCP because so what if no. of players are down 60-80%? They still get a paycheck from Iceland So maybe Iceland should stop giving CCP money and that way some changes in the company may actually happen. ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1150 "2023-09-28T15:39:26Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > So maybe Iceland should stop giving CCP money and that way some changes in the company may actually happen You can institute change when you become Iceland’s president. I’m certain your reign would be remembered as Iceland’s golden age. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1151 "2023-09-28T17:39:42Z")
I would assume that you are into seal clubbing then? ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 2:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1152 "2023-09-29T02:33:55Z")
If you get competent people in office or whatever, they will do their thing, but the golden age wont arrive until years later because the momentum needs to build up. Something to think about. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 8:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1154 "2023-09-29T08:28:15Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > If you get competent people in office or whatever, they will do their thing, but the golden age wont arrive until years later because the momentum needs to build up. Something to think about I thought you quiet the game. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 8:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1155 "2023-09-29T08:34:21Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > thought you `quiet` the game. **`EVE has sound?`** ™ 😏 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1156 "2023-09-29T08:37:51Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > **`EVE has sound?`** ™ > [@EVEs early demise might be your fault](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-a-player-considered-rich-if-has-more-than-1b/412863/1): > > Whenever someone raises an issue or makes a suggestion the replies are almost always explaining how OP is wrong and how there is no problem. Whats worse is that commenters also spreads narratives that EVE is a type of game nobody is interested in playing. This behavior contributes to issues not being fixed and CCP not even trying when developing new content for the game and the early demise becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. We could all use a little peace and quiet. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1157 "2023-09-29T14:13:43Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > I thought you quiet the game. Nobody noticed the first time. He really needs to skill up to Level V Game Quitting, and then do the Advanced Game Quitting skills as well as plugging in the cybernetic ‘Going Off In A Huff’ implant which adds a +10 bonus and allows quitting in 10 days rather than 6 months. ---
**Author:** ![Graham\_Acami](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/graham_acami/32/388655_2.png) [@Graham\_Acami](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Graham_Acami)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1158 "2023-10-01T11:06:47Z")
Eve has never remotely pretended to give a ■■■■ about it’s PVE experience. In an MMO market that operates around PVE first and PVP second. Should it really be any surprise it’s numbers are in the toilet? Eve is a game where you can spend half a year training to run content, grind isk to be able to upgrade into a nice ship, and then promptly lose it all to 15 alpha accounts a player is using to suicide gank. Congratulations, the ganker will use those modules to pay his sub. The dozen or more people he hit in that time will probably see some significant player turnover. Keep the pvp in low sec, let people run content in high sec, and the numbers would tick up steadily instead of dropping continuously. It really is that simple. Look at what brought people back in the last decade. PVE content with the promise of being able to do stuff in high sec without getting ganked on gate immediately after. At least to some extent. End of the day though, if you ever earn your way up to bling you’ll eventually just get suicide ganked by some autist running more than a dozen alpha accounts. Or a corporation that literally makes it’s bones bothering PVE fit ships for a living. Even if you’re travel fit, even if you’re transporting modules with a cloak or a sub second align time, and even if you’re in 1.0 space. It’s absurd. Has always been absurd. It’s the primary reason I have been subbed maybe two years of the last twenty. I want to like Eve. The game’s systems interest me. I am always left with a bad taste in my mouth at some point and move on to something that’s actually committed to being fun. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1159 "2023-10-01T21:58:31Z")
Create a new event involving upgrading of modules using Plasmids. For every successful upgrade, players would get points towards specialty items from the store, such as Injectors, Skins or blueprints. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/1160 "2023-10-01T23:41:06Z")
> [@Graham\_Acami](#): > > Eve is a game where you can spend half a year training to run content, grind isk to be able to upgrade into a nice ship, and then promptly lose it all to 15 alpha accounts a player is using to suicide gank. Somebody decided to be lazy, and failed to ping d-scan and check local. You have no one to blame but yourself for your lack situational awareness. And besides, CCP removed the ability for alpha accounts to change their safeties to red in high sec over a year ago. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274.md?page=56) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274.md?page=58)