# What do you think would bring eve into a new golden age **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 10, 2023, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274 "2023-01-10T14:11:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Expendable\_Unit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/expendable_unit/32/377349_2.png) [@Expendable\_Unit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Expendable_Unit)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/122 "2023-01-14T10:01:18Z")
The original forums from back in the day would be a good start. ---
**Author:** ![Boags](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boags/32/382554_2.png) [@Boags](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Boags)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/123 "2023-01-14T10:04:26Z")
Getting rid of hs pvp would break the economy of eve. Reward with no risk is a terible idea. Defo nope from me ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/124 "2023-01-14T10:32:20Z")
So, I’m not allowed to have an opinion? Just making sure… ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/125 "2023-01-14T10:44:16Z")
The old forum archive is a good read and quite entertaining. There are posts whining about high sec ganking in the very first month of the game back in 2003… ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/126 "2023-01-14T11:04:51Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > show standard EVE ads to players who already play EVE This is a very good point: the few ads that exist not only cater to just one type of customer, it’s almost always something that requires an innate understanding of the game which to anyone new is just going to sound like weird mumbo jumbo. Also, the narrated NPE is (now that I’ve done it a few times) not good: it’s just dumping exposition onto new players under the guise of “story” but it’s really just an endless stream of uninterruptible boring cutscenes where they don’t get to play. They’re forced to endure and it’s not interesting, instead it’s extremely long winded and doesn’t really explain anything at all nor does it entice to play (if you even make it through it). The amount of people going “I skipped the tutorial” in Rookie has gone up tremendously even though the actual number of newbies seems to have gone down. Normally I’d scoff at people who skip intros and tutorials, in this case I can’t blame them. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/127 "2023-01-14T11:19:51Z")
Even so, the tutorial does serve a purpose. I see new players that skip it all the time and the first questions they ask in rookie help are “How do I move?” “How do I undock?”. Well, genius, if you hadn’t skipped the tutorial you’d know how… ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/128 "2023-01-14T11:38:21Z")
This being EVE it’s completely normal for newbies to wonder how to undock or move even if they DID go through that tutorial. Having to endure at least a full hour of endless yapping where you simply phase out and then, in between, a “click here to undock”, “approach this” and “orbit that” probably isn’t the best way to do things or showcase basic game play. It’s just not good enough: it’s too boring, doesn’t explain enough and doesn’t really teach anything other than “oooh asteroids look awesome” followed by “where’s the uninstall button”. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/129 "2023-01-14T11:46:35Z")
If new players were given a proper tutorial about all the various nuances of EVE, it would be 12 hours long and they’d quit it anyway… ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/130 "2023-01-14T11:54:30Z")
No it does not. I just needs them to **actually be in control of their ship** , instead of what is effectively a cut scene, and have them fly around repeating the procedures a few times building upon what they learned. The tutorial doesn’t even show how to warp, they have to _align_ and then after a while they get fleet warped. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/131 "2023-01-14T11:56:45Z")
The very last thing the tutorial does is direct you to your first career agent, and you have to undock and warp there yourself. If you skip the tutorial, you won’t even know how to do that or that the career agents even exist… ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/132 "2023-01-14T11:59:56Z")
Long story short, it takes a certain type of player and a certain amount of intelligence to play and enjoy EVE. Most new players don’t even take advantage of the myriad sources of information, guides, and instructional step-by-step videos of EVE gameplay, and instead resort to pissing and moaning and asking a billion questions instead… ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/133 "2023-01-14T12:08:44Z")
To a degree, yes. At the same time one can CHOOSE to make it difficult, boring and terrible… or not. Besides, not really sure we should take pointers from someone who put bounties on newbies knowing full well it will probably freak them out as they assume they’re now outlaws and can be hunted by anyone. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/134 "2023-01-14T12:10:32Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > can be hunted by anyone That is the case whether they have a bounty or not. Welcome to EVE… ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/135 "2023-01-14T12:15:52Z")
You can’t be this fcking moronic, although in your case… it’s believable. In most games where you can get a bounty it means “you’re now being targeted and hunted by everyone else and can be attacked without repercussion”. You going “ololol that’s EVE” doesn’t help them nor are they supposed to fully understand what EVE entails. It’ll freak them out and for good reason, they don’t even KNOW how to do basic things and now they’re hunted? I’ve seen people start a new character because they got a bounty, simply because they didn’t understand (which being less than an hour into the game makes fcking sense). ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/136 "2023-01-14T12:20:10Z")
And there it is. Ad hominem personal attacks. The purview of those with no valid argument. Was wondering how long that would take. You may sit down now… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/137 "2023-01-14T12:48:42Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > I’m not allowed to have an opinion? Only if you pay me. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/138 "2023-01-14T12:55:35Z")
Am I slacking on my tithes to The Mistress? I must rectify this immediately… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/139 "2023-01-14T12:57:22Z")
Always more. No exceptions. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/140 "2023-01-14T12:57:49Z")
make a deep mind google top AI to avoid fraud and give SOLO pvp kills a FAT reward else you will lose the best player you have me 🥰 ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/141 "2023-01-14T13:02:12Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > The purview of those with no valid argument No, it’s simply pointing out a fact. You spend your time in Rookie to troll day 1 newbies, if that’s not a red flag then what is. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274.md?page=8)