# What do you think would bring eve into a new golden age **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 10, 2023, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274 "2023-01-10T14:11:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/142 "2023-01-14T13:06:09Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Here’s a sample from a company that knows how to re-invest their dollars into their game instead of pissing it all up a rope every few years: i love world of tanks blitz but calling wargaming a good company is like saying the devil is a nice catholic dude ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/143 "2023-01-14T13:06:47Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > calling wargaming a good company is like saying the devil is a nice catholic dude WG is actively evil. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/144 "2023-01-14T13:32:49Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > i love world of tanks blitz but calling wargaming a good company is like saying the devil is a nice catholic dude You misunderstood. I called Wargaming a company that re-invests in it’s own primary cash cow to keep it relevant, not a ‘good’ company. Wargaming takes it’s profits and rewrites it’s engine. Updates it’s graphics significantly (ie., not by making glowy nebulae **glow harder** ). Works on keeping the game code fast and efficient. Creates excellent, game-related videos. Hires people like Chuck Norris, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Milla Jovovich to help promote and celebrate seasonal events. Hires “frontline personalities” (Commander AF, The Chieftain, etc.) to reach out to and engage with the player base. They run frequent events that every player can participate in, from new to old. In 3 decades of online gaming, I’ve yet to run across _any_ game where some portion of the playerbase didn’t hate the dev company. Heck, you can take a _volunteer_ dev team like the City of Heroes: Homecoming crowd and find players who hate them for the way they run the game. So being hated by some players, or making both good and bad choices, is par for the course. Unfortunate as it is for players, most gaming companies start out run by gaming/programming geeks who don’t really understand people and don’t understand good business. Then they slowly evolve towards teams that understand business and sometimes marketing, but don’t really understand their own game and playerbase. And then you have companies like CCP (and for example, PGI with MWO) - who don’t understand business, _or_ marketing, _or_ their playerbase, and have even mostly lost their ability to create working code along the way. Failing on every front isn’t the way to succeed. But not even re-investing and _bothering_ to try, is the surest way to fail. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/145 "2023-01-14T13:47:19Z")
Yet EVE continues to be one of the longest-running MMO’s in gaming history. They must be doing something right… ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/146 "2023-01-14T14:01:15Z")
From 50/60k to 20k is doing something right? Asking for a friend… ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/147 "2023-01-14T14:02:51Z")
EVE is 20 years old. Tons of new games and MMO’s have been released during that time, including other space sims like Elite Dangerous, No Man’s Sky, and Star Citizen. That wasn’t the case during the early years of EVE. Now gamers have ten thousand choices of games on platforms like Steam. That’s the main reason why… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/148 "2023-01-14T14:03:56Z")
People are only here for me. I’m doing something right. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/149 "2023-01-14T14:04:59Z")
I was there for the mass extinction. I’ll have to disagree. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/150 "2023-01-14T14:06:50Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > 50/60k Is an inflated number as it wasn’t a real average. “High 40K average” is a realistic and honest depiction of reality. 20-30K average is a healthy number for a game like EVE. A decline is just natural: people move on, “done it all”, “there’s new stuff to play” and all that. Besides that era in EVE as a bit silly for various reasons where “more people” doesn’t necessarily mean a better game. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/151 "2023-01-14T14:06:55Z")
The current generation of gamers aren’t flocking to EVE because most of them think it’s “too hard” or “unfair” and they can’t unlock Gold camouflage on day 1… ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/152 "2023-01-14T14:09:32Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > inflated number as it wasn’t a real average. There was a solid 50k for a while anyway. > [@QuakeGod](#): > > aren’t flocking to EVE I was speaking about how fast 2/3 of the player base left the game. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/153 "2023-01-14T14:16:41Z")
Players have left for various reasons over the years, mostly players in null when changes were implemented to where they could no longer make ten trillion ISK per day in perfect safety. Nothing of value was lost… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/154 "2023-01-14T14:22:56Z")
I had a couple hundred trillion but biomassed to start over. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/155 "2023-01-14T14:27:09Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > Long story short, it takes a certain type of player and a certain amount of intelligence to play and enjoy EVE. I was wondering how long it would be before you outright declared that you are superior. This is a long standing notion where EVE veterans want to try to keep the game “hard” so they can claim superiority even though for most of them it wasn’t that hard and they are living off of old money so they don’t have to put a fraction of the effort into the game that new players do. It doesn’t take any particular skill or intelligence to play EVE. It’s just a game. Being able to succeed at playing it just means you are sometimes awake. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/156 "2023-01-14T14:29:53Z")
Then new players have no excuse and can stop whining about everything now… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/157 "2023-01-14T14:34:04Z")
So EVE wasn’t hard for new players back in the day, but it’s hard for new players now? We started off with nothing but a “good luck”. No tutorial, no free ISK, no free ships, nothing. If we did it, they can too… ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/158 "2023-01-14T14:34:20Z")
Yesterday I came across a player who’d joined Eve in June 2003, and who in 2007 was a member of a corp called ‘Eve Is A Joke’. So I’m wondering whether the _original_ ‘golden age’ was before or after the Cretaceous period and if there’s any other living fossils that remember it. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/159 "2023-01-14T14:42:23Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > So I’m wondering whether the _original_ ‘golden age’ was before or after the Cretaceous period and if there’s any other living fossils that remember it. Much that once was is lost, for none now live who remember it… ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/160 "2023-01-14T14:47:41Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > This is a long standing notion where EVE veterans want to try to keep the game “hard” so they can claim superiority even though for most of them it wasn’t that hard and they are living off of old money so they don’t have to put a fraction of the effort into the game that new players do. Continuing your trend of speaking for other people’s experience. A great ploy, as you can just make sweeping generalisations and never have to prove anything. Of course, in reality you have no idea how hard or easy Eve was or is for any large sector of people. And unless there’s some quotable survey by CCP…nobody does. > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > It doesn’t take any particular skill or intelligence to play EVE. Another sweeping semanticism. It doesn’t take any particular skill or intelligence to ‘play chess’, but I’m pretty sure you’d lose against Magnus Carlsen. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2023, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274/161 "2023-01-14T15:03:25Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > Then new players have no excuse and can stop whining about everything now… There will always be people who complain about aspects of game they don’t like just like there will always be existing players who complain about people having opinions they don’t like. > [@QuakeGod](#): > > So EVE wasn’t hard for new players back in the day, but it’s hard for new players now? It hasn’t even been particularly hard but it’s harder now to get up to the same position as older players because older players have lived through game-breaking economic changes that left them with serious advantages. > [@QuakeGod](#): > > We started off with nothing but a “good luck”. No tutorial, no free ISK, no free ships, nothing. If we did it, they can too… But you also started with a level playing field. And when CCP released expansion they were almost always beneficial to older players. Like when they split battlecruiser to racial skills and just carried the skill level across to all 4, or when they changed battleship build requirement so every existing battleship owner had paid way less than the new material value, sending battleships into several years of stock being able to be below production price but still turning a massive profit. Most of the old expansions had effects like this, where existing players gained huge benefits. I’m continuing my trend of ignoring Altaras insults. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-think-would-bring-eve-into-a-new-golden-age/391274.md?page=9)