# What EvE is all about **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 26, 2018, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057 "2018-03-26T18:53:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Tali\_Charante](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tali_charante/32/62922_2.png) [@Tali\_Charante](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tali_Charante)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057/41 "2018-03-26T23:11:03Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > That is quite the funny statement, considering that the vast majority of those who complain can not take care about themselves even in a video game, while he absolutely can … And yet he behaves like a kid bitching and whining on new players and changes ccp does to the game. And how hes judging a whole generation of gamers is sicking Is seen younger people be more mature than him. ---
**Author:** ![Stormsurge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stormsurge/32/18231_2.png) [@Stormsurge](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stormsurge)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057/42 "2018-03-26T23:14:00Z")
What Eve is all about? > **[The bonus round](http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-bonus-round.html)** > > Let's delve into a simple story of EVE players behaving badly. I'm not usually the type to call out individual EVE players on this blog. T... > **[EVE Online alliance leader permanently banned after threatening to cut off...](https://www.pcgamer.com/eve-online-alliance-leader-permanently-banned-after-threatening-to-cut-off-another-players-hands/)** > > In the wake of a betrayal that cost him everything, this player just lost the ability to even play. > **[ALOD: GO BACK TO WOW - INN](https://imperium.news/alod-go-back-wow/)** > > Editors Note: This was originally written for TheMittani.com by Angry Mustache Ever since the dawn of time (around 2003), EVE players have had a definite superiority complex over players of other MMOs, especially World of Warcraft. After all, EVE... [https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Scams\_in\_EVE\_Online](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Scams_in_EVE_Online) If you wanted the worst of humanity to play this game, I think you have achieved it. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057/43 "2018-03-26T23:14:51Z")
The bonus round guy was pretty much begging for it. No one is that stupid or gullible. ---
**Author:** ![Tali\_Charante](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tali_charante/32/62922_2.png) [@Tali\_Charante](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tali_Charante)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057/44 "2018-03-26T23:16:21Z")
> [@Is\_This\_Helping](#): > > ccp have already dumbed this game down so far that it is now attracting too many idiots and wallet warriors, bring back red moon rising on a stand alone server and don’t bother to fix it , patch it or change it, that was when eve was best, now its all about micro transactions and catering to cry babies… I can agree with micro transactions being bad in all games. But remember EVE online is ccp´s game they will do what they like with it and will change so more people play it witch makes them more money eve online is not a charity game. But in what way is eve dumbed down and also care to explain why it´s other people fault what ccp does with there game ? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057/45 "2018-03-26T23:19:17Z")
What way has EVE been dumbed down? Oh, let me count the ways. Skill training queue and not having to log in to train, crime watch, suspect flagging, asset safety, skill injectors, no positive 8.0+ faction status required to place a citadel like we had to do with POS, just to name a few… ---
**Author:** ![Tali\_Charante](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tali_charante/32/62922_2.png) [@Tali\_Charante](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tali_Charante)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057/46 "2018-03-26T23:36:49Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > What way has EVE been dumbed down? Oh, let me count the ways. Skill training queue and not having to log in to train, crime watch, suspect flagging, asset safety, skill injectors, no positive 8.0+ faction status required to place a citadel like we had to do with POS, just to name a few… Well then maybe ccp should turn back add the learning skills, remove the new graphics remove citadels and the things you named lets make eve how it was in 2003. Also forbid new players to join all they do is cry and it´s there fault my game not ccp´s game my game has changed. Well I rest my case im out of comments you win congrats here have a gold medal. ---
**Author:** ![Is\_This\_Helping](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/is_this_helping/32/61422_2.png) [@Is\_This\_Helping](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Is_This_Helping)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057/47 "2018-03-26T23:41:29Z")
> [@Tali\_Charante](#): > > I can agree with micro transactions being bad in all games. But remember EVE online is ccp´s game they will do what they like with it and will change so more people play it witch makes them more money eve online is not a charity game. > > But in what way is eve dumbed down and also care to explain why it´s other people fault what ccp does with there game ? this game, like all other mmo’s these days has to have micro transactions to stay alive, I have no issues with that and it is a great way to combat rmt stuff, I don’t actually have issues with this, and it isn’t anybody’s fault either, ccp took notice of what other game devs had on the go, ccp noticed that their game was dropping players left right and center due to little or no content upgrades and basically spending all our sub money trying to get some sort of online vampire game up and going…for 4 or 5 years. So in comes the micro transactions, windfall of loot for ccp and then some upgrades for content… However, when I started playing this game in 2003 if was a thinking players game, it attracted smarter players and very quickly washed out the dumbed down masses. It was a hard slow grind. Playing on weekends was impossible because the servers could only handle about 5k players…the game would be down for hours and hours. Then ccp decided that they could get more players paying subs if they made it easier…so they took out piles of skills that some of us had spent months training so we could have an edge on the other guy, then ccp found this thing called a nerf bat and they used it freely to “balance” the game…it was perfectly out of balance and smart players could sort that ■■■■ out…just not the dummer ones…who seemed to be crying about stuff so much that ccp had no choice but to listen so they could keep that sub money coming in. This would have been about 2010 or 2011, don’t remember, but I do remember that many of my long term eve mates had stopped logging in, by 2012 I wasn’t logging in much either. The quitter came on some dull night at a station camp, wt undocked, I lit him up and got conk’d, eve was broken and no longer a fun game to play. FF to about 2 months ago, havent played in 4 or 5 years, decided to log in and see what was up, noticed the changes and decided it was time to spend some of my billions in blink winnings on ships and ammo, but there are no decent small gang outfits these days, everybody needs to be in a blob…wow, back to world of warships…I actually have better fun playing stronghold kingdoms 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 11:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057/48 "2018-03-26T23:45:52Z")
It’s a sandbox, and to be a sandbox, all this other stuff comes with it. As soon as you remove any one of those things, it is no longer a sandbox. “_If a kid throws sand in your face you can either run away weeping, demand that the sand be removed or throw sand back._” ---
**Author:** ![Chewytowel\_Haklar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chewytowel_haklar/32/420292_2.png) [@Chewytowel\_Haklar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chewytowel_Haklar)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057/49 "2018-03-26T23:50:28Z")
I chose to deny your reality and subsitute my own. Eve is a happy happy doo dah place with fluffy ships and cuddly NPCs. ---
**Author:** ![Tali\_Charante](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tali_charante/32/62922_2.png) [@Tali\_Charante](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tali_Charante)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057/50 "2018-03-27T00:19:33Z")
@Is_This_Helping I started my self back in 2007 before they removed learning skills I totally understand you and how you feel some change I dislike my self believe me. But I think if eve does not change to attract more people or new people. I don´t think eve would be alive today even if eve was like it was back in the day with and with no new players joining if could not survive because I don´t think all old eve players would keep playing eve for ever because some time sooner or later some people just quit anyway even if they love the game some quit because they maybe find another game they enjoy more, some people maybe wanna focus on there life or other things. I mean there is several season people quit. I seen few old mmos die because it did not attract new people and it could not survive on does few 1000 dedicated fans mmo´s are expensive as hell to keep up and add new content to keep old player happy they got new things to do. Also old mmos going f2p is often a sign of the game dying Tera was dying Star wars the old rebublic was dying neverwinter night was dying all of them went f2p and some games like Tera or Neverwinter is doing better today thanks to day. In the end CCP is a company there main goal is to make money so they will do tons of stupid ■■■■ to see how they can make more sadly. I think Both dust and that vampire game they both abandon was stupid but they wanna make money heck even EVE Valkyrie removed the need for VR proboly because it did not sell well. In away im glad eve maybe changes in away because it´s still the best sci-fi mmo out there and no one is doing a new freelancer or wing commander so im glad eve is still alive even it has changed. To be honest I think skill training queue is a good thing not because oh it makes it all to simple sure it´s simple and convince but I can then focus more on pvping or mining or pve and such instead of having to micromanage every thing in eve I can focus my time on playing the game and skill training in eve has never been a fun part of the game ever it´s not like a jump of joy and say wee im gonna train a skill. So with the skill training queue for me is more like so I can pick my skill let them do there thing allowing me to focus on what what I enjoy in eve I hope you understand what I mean. @Is_This_Helping And Thank you for a real good comment makes me rely happy to read and helps me understand more and understand better because im not all knowing but know I know what you mean and how you feel about them game. ---
**Author:** ![Auto-da-fe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auto-da-fe/32/53227_2.png) [@Auto-da-fe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auto-da-fe)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 12:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057/51 "2018-03-27T00:59:19Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > “If a kid throws sand in your face you can either run away weeping, demand that the sand be removed or throw sand back.” Everyone who mindlessly chants “EVE Is a Sandbox” will sidestep the issue that “You can’t throw sand back” and/or “You can’t demand that the sand be removed.” “The kid” that threw sand in your face is an ALT, and once he’s thrown sand in your face he will log out and NOT log back in until your “killrights” expire. Or, he is a player that you have never seen or heard of before and you will never see or hear of him again. This is the problem with poor products, they damage your expectations beyond repair. You have become so used to eating garbage you can’t imagine eating anything else but garbage. And you can’t imagine why some people call it “Garbage.” ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 1:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057/52 "2018-03-27T01:05:31Z")
> [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > Everyone who mindlessly chants “EVE Is a Sandbox” will sidestep the issue that “You can’t throw sand back” and/or “You can’t demand that the sand be removed.” “The kid” that threw sand in your face is an ALT, and once he’s thrown sand in your face he will log out and NOT log back in until your “killrights” expire. Or, he is a player that you have never seen or heard of before and you will never see or hear of him again. > > This is the problem with poor products, they damage your expectations beyond repair. You have become so used to eating garbage you can’t imagine eating anything else but garbage. IC, you were killed and didn’t get revenge Super hard on the pixel ego 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Auto-da-fe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auto-da-fe/32/53227_2.png) [@Auto-da-fe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auto-da-fe)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057/53 "2018-03-27T01:07:17Z")
I don’t look for “revenge”. I look for Balanced, Competitive PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 1:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057/54 "2018-03-27T01:09:32Z")
> [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > I don’t look for “revenge”. > > I look for Balanced, Competitive PvP. Then you are doing it wrong ☠ ---
**Author:** ![Is\_This\_Helping](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/is_this_helping/32/61422_2.png) [@Is\_This\_Helping](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Is_This_Helping)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057/55 "2018-03-27T01:14:04Z")
> [@Auto-da-fe](#): > > I don’t look for “revenge”. > > I look for Balanced, Competitive PvP. go back to wow please… this is an “I am going to kick you in the teeth game at any and every opportunity” . Fair and balanced is not what you get here, you have to be smart to live in this universe…and we all die hard at some point…lol…loving it ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057/56 "2018-03-27T01:42:42Z")
Don’t send him there. I’m still playing through the last two expansions. Lemme finish first. 😆 Send him to Team Fortress for now. He can get some hats. –Gadget is behind in the story ---
**Author:** ![Vortexo\_VonBrenner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vortexo_vonbrenner/32/64874_2.png) [@Vortexo\_VonBrenner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vortexo_VonBrenner)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 2:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057/57 "2018-03-27T02:23:14Z")
> [@Tali\_Charante](#): > > Well little old man I pay taxes but maybe I should stop so we don´t waste them on taking care of people like you when you get even older and can´t take care of your self. lol - oh yes, do stop paying taxes. I’m sure your government won’t mind at all. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 6:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057/58 "2018-03-27T06:38:30Z")
> [@Tali\_Charante](#): > > And yet he behaves like a kid bitching and whining on new players and changes ccp does to the game. And how hes judging a whole generation of gamers is sicking Is seen younger people be more mature than him. You really do not come across as mature, so you should not be complaining about them being immature. And he is actually right. It is you who does not have the knowledge and understanding _why_ he is right. You should check what he is talking about, before blindly assuming you know better … because you do not. ---
**Author:** ![Ashala\_Arcsylver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ashala_arcsylver/32/54711_2.png) [@Ashala\_Arcsylver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ashala_Arcsylver)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057/59 "2018-03-27T07:14:37Z")
The thing that proves EvE is a true sandbox game is pretty simple. Every sandbox has it’s hidden cat turd. It isn’t who is throwing sand in your face that matters. It’s how good you are at avoiding those cat turds that get tossed your way from time to time. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2018, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057/60 "2018-03-27T07:31:06Z")
> [@Octavia\_Daya](#): > > I think that CCP Falcon got to the core of EvE in this post in the old Forums: > > Okay, so what follows is entirely my personal opinion. > > It’s not a case of not “catering to the tearfilled entitled”, it’s a case of us staying true to the core of what EVE was built on. > > Some of the people complaining in this thread have valid points about the fact that they don’t feel safe. Simple fact of the matter is, that you’re not suppose to feel safe in New Eden. > > Eve is not a game for the faint hearted. It’s a game that will chew you up and spit you out in the blink of an eye if you even think about letting your guard down or becoming complacent. > > While every other MMO starts off with an intro that tells you you’re going to be the savior of the realm, holds your hand, protects you, nurtures your development and ultimately guides you to your destiny as a hero along with several other million players who’ve had the exact same experience, EVE assaults you from the second you begin to play after you create a character, spitting you out into a universe that under the surface, is so complex that it’s enough to make your head explode. > > The entire design is based around being harsh, vicious, relentless, hostile and cold. It’s about action and reaction, and the story that unfolds as you experience these two things. > > True, we’re working hard to lower the bar of entry so that more players can enjoy EVE and can get into the game. Our NPE (New Player Experience) is challenging, and we’re trying to improve it to better prepare rookies for what lies out there, but when you start to play eve, you’ll always start out as the little fish in the big pond. > > The only way to grow is to voraciously consume what’s around you, and its your choice whether that happens to be New Eden’s abundant natural resources, or the other people who’re also fighting their way to the top. > > EVE is a playing experience like no other, where every action or reaction resonates through a single universe and is felt by players from all corners of the word. There are no shards here, no mirror universes, no instances and very few rules. If you stumble across something valuable, then chances are someone else already knows where you are, or is working their way toward you and you better be prepared to fight for what you’ve discovered. > > EVE will test you from the outset, from the very second you undock and glimpse the stars, and will take pleasure from sorting those who can survive from those who’d rather curl up and perish. > > EVE will let you fight until you collapse, then let you struggle to your feet, exhausted from the effort. Then when you can see the light at the end of the tunnel it’ll kick you flat on your ass in the mud again and ask you why you deserve to be standing. It’ll test you against every other individual playing at some point or another, and it’ll ask for answers. > > Give it an answer and maybe it’ll let you up again, long enough to gather your thoughts. After a few more steps you’re on the ground again and it’s asking more questions. > > EVE is designed to be harsh, it’s designed to be challenging, and it’s designed to be so deep and complex that it should fascinate and terrify you at the same time. > > Corporation, Alliances and coalitions of tens of thousands have risen and fallen on these basic principles, and every one of those thousands of people has their own unique story to tell about how it affected them and what they experienced. > > That’s the beauty of EVE. Action and reaction. Emergence. > > Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you’ll ever experience. > > CCP Falcon This used to be true, not anymore 😕 I can sit in my cloaky nullified t3 doing what ever I feel like without worrying about a care in the world, with that t3 I can breach any gate camp in the game and go where ever I like even in the heart of enemy space. Or I can join a null group sit in anom’s all day with 3-4 Vexor navy alt’s and dock up when enemies enter local and then undock and keep farming when they leave care free. I can even afk in those null sec anom’s because drones will do all the work for me, If they shoot my drones then I just swap to a gila with drones that have more tank than the ship and all is good and easy again and back to semi afk :]. If there is loot I need to haul to high sec to sell all I need to do is scan a highsec wormhole and take it through there, there is no more danger and risk in eve and all combat is easily avoided if you know what your doing, it’s sad but true. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-all-about/66057.md?page=4)