# What Eve is like for a new player **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 2, 2019, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-like-for-a-new-player/187337 "2019-09-02T07:37:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 5:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-like-for-a-new-player/187337/244 "2019-09-09T05:18:46Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Prey animals that don’t die to predators don’t draw predators. That assumes all predators check intel…some don’t so that statement is incorrect as predators will still be drawn-in… > That is contrary to what Karak Terrel You are starting to piss me off…Here is what he said followed by what I said… “Jita is the center of all of trading for EVE, logically it is the focal point of what remains of piracy left in EVE.”…“Hubs are focal points of NE and Jita is the busies so it would logically follow that you will find a lot of carnage there…” Please explain to everyone here how those two though processes are “contrary” to each other…We’d love to hear that one…If you are referring to something else then post BOTH comments please… > Why is more destruction an outcome CCP should tailor gameplay to produce? Why is more booms good? This game is built solely on concept of conflict in space (aka combat). More BOOMs means more everything. If you were purely an industrialist feeding the war machine, you would still want more BOOMs. I’m shocked this even needs to be covered. > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > a doubling of speed quadruples the force We’re not talking speeds so that was pointless > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Why should a doubling of population double the destruction? Becasue you have twice as many people doing what was being done before? If no new roles were created then they are limited to what was being done before and that means pretty much the same # of BOOMs relatively speaking. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 5:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-like-for-a-new-player/187337/245 "2019-09-09T05:45:50Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > That assumes all predators check intel…some don’t so that statement is incorrect as predators will still be drawn-in… “drawn-in” ← that’s not what this word means. If I take a wrong turn and end up at Starbucks because I got lost, that doesn’t mean I was drawn-in to Starbucks. And predators read intel. They look at tracks. They pick up scent trails. They visually scan. If a bear stumbles upon a moose when he’s looking for mushrooms, that’s not being “drawn-in”. That’s an accident. Accidents happen. > [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > You are starting to piss me off That’s fine, but don’t let it make you stupid like some of the other participants in this thread. > [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > We’d love to hear that one…If you are referring to something else then post BOTH comments please… Karak Terrel has repeatedly asserted that high sec is a boring wasteland and that CCP has nerfed “emergent gamplay” or whatever he wants to call it. Just scroll up. Damn. Do you agree or disagree? I didn’t say you disagreed with the comment of his that you posted. > [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > This game is built solely on concept of conflict in space (aka combat). It is your right to believe this, but once you start asserting it as fact, you become what is sometimes referred to as “wrong”. More creation occurs in-game than destruction. What does that tell you about what the game is “built solely on”? > [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > More BOOMs means more everything. War is peace? Freedom is slavery? > [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > If you were purely an industrialist feeding the war machine, you would still want more BOOMs. _ **IF** _. What _ **IF** _ I’m someone who doesn’t care one way or the other whether more or fewer ships are destroyed? Does that still mean I want “more BOOMs”? > [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > We’re not talking speeds so that was pointless Then what kind of process are we talking about? Prove that whatever it is is a linear process. > [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > you have twice as many people doing what was being done before If you have twice as many people doing something, it gets done twice as fast. Therefore, there should be less violence in Jita and less violence as population climbs higher? Now, you tell me what I left out and explain how it affects the overall circumstance. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 6:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-like-for-a-new-player/187337/246 "2019-09-09T06:36:08Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Just spare me your lies. You’re not going to convince me that ganking was nerfed because I actually play the game. High sec is not a boring wasteland. YOU are a boring wasteland. Oh, I didn’t try to convince you, you asked a question and I answered with my opinion. You also didn’t give me any reason to change it with your accusation and extremely angry response bare of any actual argument. > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > What was the starting entry bar? What was it raised to? It was lower and now it is higher. Do you actually have anything of your own to say or is it just more questions? I know I’m quite the authority here, but this starts to feel a bit strange. > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Why not Delve? Why not Aridia? Why not Niarja? Why not Rancer? Why not Khanid? Why not Providence? > Why pick a 0.9 security system where according to you, there is no content and it is a boring wasteland? Can you answer that question? I already answered why it is Jita and so did @Runa_Yamaguchi. If you didn’t understand that very simple and easy explanation I don’t really know why I should try again. Maybe go back and read the first one again? ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-like-for-a-new-player/187337/247 "2019-09-09T06:53:25Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > “Predator” is just another word for “parasite”. Uhm, no, it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Naomi\_Samish\_Lynx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naomi_samish_lynx/32/141879_2.png) [@Naomi\_Samish\_Lynx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naomi_Samish_Lynx)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-like-for-a-new-player/187337/248 "2019-09-09T07:05:15Z")
I think one of the problem is knowing those sorts of channels exist at all isn’t part of the tutorial. – There’s so many other things that probably could be simplified. For example half the ships in the game (which add their own complexity by share number) could be decommissioned–heck even make it part of the role play as empires prepare for the invasions. ---
**Author:** ![Naomi\_Samish\_Lynx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naomi_samish_lynx/32/141879_2.png) [@Naomi\_Samish\_Lynx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naomi_Samish_Lynx)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-like-for-a-new-player/187337/249 "2019-09-09T07:08:30Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > This game is built solely on concept of conflict in space (aka combat). huh? Not even close. In fact classic ship versus ship pvp has never been done by anything close to a majority of players–a sizeable minority even among the most pvp large groups. Part is disinterest by the majority of eve population, part is there’s so so many other ways to enjoy Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-like-for-a-new-player/187337/250 "2019-09-09T07:08:46Z")
> [@Naomi\_Samish\_Lynx](#): > > half the ships in the game (which add their own complexity by share number) could be decommissioned Why would anyone want this? ---
**Author:** ![Naomi\_Samish\_Lynx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naomi_samish_lynx/32/141879_2.png) [@Naomi\_Samish\_Lynx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naomi_Samish_Lynx)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-like-for-a-new-player/187337/251 "2019-09-09T07:13:17Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > > half the ships in the game (which add their own complexity by share number) could be decommissioned > > Why would anyone want this? (thought I made that clear) To simplify the game. Having over 300 ships, when most of them are seldom used, just adds unneeded complexity for newer players. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-like-for-a-new-player/187337/252 "2019-09-09T07:14:35Z")
But newer players can only use a few anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-like-for-a-new-player/187337/253 "2019-09-09T07:20:54Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Accidents happen. Yep…or random event or bad luck or chance encounters bla bla bla…the point is that you said “Prey animals that don’t die to predators don’t draw predators” and that’s incorrect as you yourself just said. > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > And predators read intel. They look at tracks. They pick up scent trails. Some…all…none…A hunter might see a Venture on DScan and warp to it hoping to land on top of it and get lucky. That also goes against your “Prey animals that don’t die to predators…” line… > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Do you agree or disagree? I highly value what Karak says but in this instant no I don’t agree fully. BUT he is not stating a fact, that’s his opinion (the boring wasteland bit). You were playing with population and violence which are fact base but now you are pointing to an opinion of his…these are not compatible for a debate. As for the nerfing part, yes, CCP has made HS way safer over the years and IMO that’s not a great thing at all. It’s not all bad though… > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > More creation occurs in-game than destruction Why was it created? For combat or in-order to help facilitate combat. An artist creating a beautiful cammo pattern for tanks is STILL in the MIC. There are very few roles in NE that are non-combat or MIC related. > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > War is peace? Freedom is slavery? This is a game… > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Does that still mean I want “more BOOMs”? Probably not but then you probably would also be in the tiny majority… > Prove that whatever it is is a linear process. I said “most likely linear in nature”…If I could prove it then I would have stated a pure fact without the out… > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > If you have twice as many people doing something, it gets done twice as fast. What? Again you are creating situations that I never said. > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Therefore, there should be less violence in Jita and less violence as population climbs higher? No…are you not reading what I and others are saying? Jeezz… > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Now, you tell me Already did so no, I’m not wasting more of my time… ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-like-for-a-new-player/187337/254 "2019-09-09T07:22:14Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > > “Predator” is just another word for “parasite”. > > Uhm, no, it isn’t. Deep sea drilling is just another term for an enema. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-like-for-a-new-player/187337/255 "2019-09-09T07:23:42Z")
> [@Naomi\_Samish\_Lynx](#): > > huh? Not even close. In fact classic ship versus ship pvp has never been done by anything close to a majority of players–a sizeable minority even among the most pvp large groups. Part is disinterest by the majority of eve population, part is there’s so so many other ways to enjoy Eve. Your posts didn’t say what EVE is based on if you think I am wrong…Please tell us what EVE is at it’s core. ---
**Author:** ![Naomi\_Samish\_Lynx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naomi_samish_lynx/32/141879_2.png) [@Naomi\_Samish\_Lynx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naomi_Samish_Lynx)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-like-for-a-new-player/187337/256 "2019-09-09T07:31:46Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > Your posts didn’t say what EVE is based on if you think I am wrong…Please tell us what EVE is at it’s core. Because I reject your premise that it’s based on any “one thing.” If anything Eve is constructed and celebrates it’s the share variety of game play styles players might pursue. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-like-for-a-new-player/187337/257 "2019-09-09T07:34:26Z")
> [@Naomi\_Samish\_Lynx](#): > > If anything Eve is constructed and celebrates it’s the share variety of game play styles players might pursue. It has many different play styles yes. But they are not isolated and happen all in the sandbox where you compete against other players in various forms. This is why it is called a Player vs. Player (PvP) sandbox. PvP isn’t constrained to ship combat here. ---
**Author:** ![Naomi\_Samish\_Lynx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naomi_samish_lynx/32/141879_2.png) [@Naomi\_Samish\_Lynx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naomi_Samish_Lynx)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-like-for-a-new-player/187337/258 "2019-09-09T07:40:48Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > It has many different play styles yes. But they are not isolated and happen all in the sandbox where you compete against other players in various forms. This is why it is called a Player vs. Player (PvP) sandbox. PvP isn’t constrained to ship combat here. That’s a fair characterization, though sandbox infers it’s not an open beach without parents. It’s also much broader than the original quote I objected to by another poster “This game is built solely on concept of conflict in space (aka combat).” ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-like-for-a-new-player/187337/259 "2019-09-09T07:44:23Z")
> [@Naomi\_Samish\_Lynx](#): > > original quote I objected to But PVP is covered in my “conflict” bit. I know know it’s simplistic but really that is what EVE is. Conflict covers fighting, the markets, manufacturing, diplo, mining etc etc etc…it is what it is… > [@Naomi\_Samish\_Lynx](#): > > sandbox infers it’s not an open beach without parents A sandbox infers a sandbox, not a beach. No idea why you said parents… ---
**Author:** ![Naomi\_Samish\_Lynx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naomi_samish_lynx/32/141879_2.png) [@Naomi\_Samish\_Lynx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naomi_Samish_Lynx)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-like-for-a-new-player/187337/260 "2019-09-09T07:48:07Z")
(sigh) Just read the thread. His statement. Mine. He says quite clearly it’s about ship to ship pvp–and ONLY about that (hence his use of the world “solely”. Not the other types we’d both agree make up the game. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-like-for-a-new-player/187337/261 "2019-09-09T07:56:47Z")
> [@Naomi\_Samish\_Lynx](#): > > That’s a fair characterization, though sandbox infers it’s not an open beach without parents. No, you take it to literally. Sandbox referes to the characteristic that the content in the game mainly comes from what players build compared to a themepark MMO where the content is some story or questline fabricated by the developer. That is where the analogy ends. > [@Naomi\_Samish\_Lynx](#): > > It’s also much broader than the original quote I objected to by another poster “This game is built solely on concept of conflict in space (aka combat).” But this quote is true. The foundation of the game is conflict. And even if you don’t take directly part in it, it still has influence on your gameplay. Conflict is basically the engine of the game where various other things are built on. Now that doesn’t mean you have to be directly involved. But lets say you want to stick only to mission running or mining. If you sell your loot, salvage or ore, the resources you gathered will be used to build new ships, create new modules which will be used in different conflicts all over EVE. You directly compete with other people who produce this resources and the price will change depending on how much is produces and how much is used up by ships exploding. This is what we mean when we say that the engine of the game is conflict. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-like-for-a-new-player/187337/262 "2019-09-09T08:08:44Z")
> [@Naomi\_Samish\_Lynx](#): > > He says quite clearly it’s about ship to ship pvp–and ONLY about that (hence his use of the world “solely” Actually no, I will call BS on that. I said: > This game is built solely on concept of conflict in space (aka combat) …and I then went on to talk about industrialists and why they are also part of the “conflict”. I never said PVP or used the word “ONLY” so… The “c” word was used in the broadest of terms to cover (almost) all activities in EVE while at the same time stating that it’s the sole driver of the game (with minor exceptions). ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 8:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-eve-is-like-for-a-new-player/187337/263 "2019-09-09T08:12:08Z")
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