# What gamers want? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 3, 2025, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430 "2025-06-03T10:45:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430/21 "2025-06-04T18:32:37Z")
> [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > Gamers want the same as 20 years ago, but EVE has worsened and may decline further before improving. 20 years ago, all the systems were populated. The trade routes were all patrolled from one end to the other. Autopilots were ganked on sight. Anyone who says, “This game has declined” when talking about PvP clearly wasn’t around 20 years ago. Hell, neither was I. I’m just talking about 12 years ago! Asteroid fields in high sec were defended. Corps would dock their barges and come out with combat ships just to run off invaders. Calling their bluff usually ended badly even with Concord showing up. Yes! People would kill you over Veldspar! From a PvP standpoint, high sec has never been safer than it is right now. New people just don’t know! ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430/22 "2025-06-04T18:46:10Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > This game is pay to win. True, you buy a mining `permit` and you already won against the gankers. 🤔 🍿 ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430/23 "2025-06-04T18:47:37Z")
Mining permits are free 🙂 [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/9/1/991e391bde02ae7060b78224270506b9a26274ed.jpeg "Not to worry i have a permit") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq6nBigMnlg) ---
**Author:** ![Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wolfgang_jannesen/32/496726_2.png) [@Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wolfgang_Jannesen)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430/24 "2025-06-04T19:42:59Z")
I just want a girl with a short skirt and a loooooooong jackdaw. ---
**Author:** ![Gealbhan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gealbhan/32/452651_2.png) [@Gealbhan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gealbhan)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430/25 "2025-06-04T20:44:28Z")
I want a girl who logs in early I want a girl who stays up late I want a girl with uninterrupted killmails Who uses a Machariel to cut through red waves With fingernails that shine like justice And a voice that is dark like tinted glass She is fast and thorough And sharp as a tack She’s touring the system And taking out trash… ---
**Author:** ![Skjer\_Artrald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skjer_artrald/32/462498_2.png) [@Skjer\_Artrald](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skjer_Artrald)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430/26 "2025-06-04T20:56:47Z")
just market it as being hyper aggressive to new players and problem solved ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430/27 "2025-06-04T21:03:54Z")
> [@Skjer\_Artrald](#): > > just market it as being hyper aggressive to new players and problem solved ![e31cd767-d151-4f94-83ad-2616344c19f6](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/2/7/f2789a4af5aca5f4176fa773dce1c10bb420244d.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430/28 "2025-06-04T21:20:15Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > Been that way since 2003. Alpha clones are just extended trials. There were times when you could just get limited number of days (I think it was usually 7 days) of free access to the server to try it out. If you unsubscribed for a longer period of time, you got offered additional number of free trial days to lure you back. There was no unlimited-time free play like there is now. I personally think CCP are being pretty generous letting anybody to ‘‘try out’’ the game for as long as they want. I sure know people who only play on alpha. Paying for Omega is not ‘Pay to Win’. It’s paying for the cost of keeping this game running. ---
**Author:** ![Davidius\_Pratticus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/davidius_pratticus/32/478437_2.png) [@Davidius\_Pratticus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Davidius_Pratticus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 1:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430/29 "2025-06-05T01:50:03Z")
Do you have a problem With CCP trying to make some money off the game? Because if you do, then be prepared for this game to shut down and never come back. The money that we pay to buy PLEX, Omega, Packs, etc. goes towards paying for servers, developers, advertising among other things. In game Marketing is to be expected. And people who pay into the game have a right to expect a little something extra for their money. ---
**Author:** ![New\_toon\_10001](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_toon_10001/32/447161_2.png) [@New\_toon\_10001](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_toon_10001)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 5:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430/30 "2025-06-05T05:06:20Z")
> [@Gealbhan](#): > > If you want the game to ever see 100k players online average again you’re going to have to ban PvP in Hi-Sec entirely and make PvP optional by going to low or null sec. LMAO Do you really even play the game ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430/31 "2025-06-05T05:55:52Z")
I don’t think CCP wants to pay for hosting 100,000 Highsec mining simulations. ---
**Author:** ![Laubrani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/laubrani/32/430644_2.png) [@Laubrani](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Laubrani)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430/32 "2025-06-05T10:10:29Z")
What gamers want? Gamers want everything, nothing, or both depending which way you turn it. Any individual gamer only want a few things, and has things they definitely do not want. Fx enough gamers wanted Eve Online to have 500k paid accounts. But a lot of them did not want Fozzy Sov and P2W, more so than that they did want Eve Online. So they left when they could not have Eve Online without. There are people that like P2W because it makes it easy to win. Just like they want any game that makes them able to just grief others and call it PvP. Fx level 80 arena players running around butchering level 15 newbies in WoW. Or Eve Players wardeccing miners (back when you could), or using vast armies of neut alts for duels and suspect baiting (also changed), Now level 80 vs level 15 is a difference most can understand, so hard to brag with. Neut alts not showing up on kill mails was perfect. P2W is more fuzzy, but arguments such as everyone has the same options are good. But they all have one thing in common, they need a lot of victims for each person that enjoys it, so generally bad for the game they are put in, for that reason alone (there are also other reasons for P2W to be bad). But do gamers want P2W? Absolutely yes. Do most gamers want P2W? Does not seem so. Another aspect is devs that have lost half their steady monthly income, to being stupid enough to fall in P2W trap. They are very eager for P2W to do better - because they need to make up for the loss. So they will promote P2W items a lot, and focus nearly all their time on developing P2W things, or mechanics that make the P2W items more important. People suffering from ludomania are also easy victims for P2W lootboxes etc. If they really want it though, is hard to answer. Obviously they have an emotional immediate vast desire, but can they in general mentally realize it is bad for them? I know some can at least after the fact, not sure if its a general thing. But to sum it all up, the title shows a big problem. Companies always want all the gamers, they can not have that (unless they make many very different games), and ruin their games trying to drag in more players, ignorant of the game being how it is, is why they have the players they do have, and changes that attract other types of players, will drive out existing players. So asking what all gamers want, is not a good question, it doesn’t even matter. In this case the questions that matters are “What do the people still playing Eve want?” and “Can this change attract nearly as many players as we already have at once? So it doesn’t matter we make a lot of them leave if we implement it.”. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430/33 "2025-06-05T10:12:33Z")
I cant say i disagree but it sound like you are making excuses near the end. Btw. Fozzie still works at CCP ---
**Author:** ![Laubrani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/laubrani/32/430644_2.png) [@Laubrani](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Laubrani)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430/34 "2025-06-05T10:13:30Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I don’t think CCP wants to pay for hosting 100,000 Highsec mining simulations. I think CCP would love to have 100k paid accounts drifting around in high sec again. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430/35 "2025-06-05T10:19:45Z")
Non-pay-to-win games still attract pay-to-win fans. ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/456813_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430/36 "2025-06-05T10:31:58Z")
> [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > pay to win Paying in EVE still a choice so far.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430/37 "2025-06-05T10:48:42Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I don’t think CCP wants to pay for hosting 100,000 Highsec mining simulations. Why wouldn’t they? That’s a lot of money. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430/38 "2025-06-05T10:57:14Z")
I’ve said it before and I still believe it- Eve skills are a big factor in PtW. You can’t sit down and grind out all of your skills. You can’t powerlevel your character. You can kill all of the boars you want and you won’t gain XP like you do in other games. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/4/7/4473fb05b6fb63e5d3f7e2dcde6fcc36eef557cb.jpeg "The Boys Hunt Boars In The Forest | South Park") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CKOYmBc-ow) In Eve, you need to either wait out the skill points or buy skill injectors. A whole new system brings new problems. That’s the biggest PtW system in Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430/39 "2025-06-05T10:58:19Z")
Waiting is P2W? ---
**Author:** ![Laubrani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/laubrani/32/430644_2.png) [@Laubrani](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Laubrani)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430/40 "2025-06-05T10:59:25Z")
> [@Davidius\_Pratticus](#): > > The money that we pay to buy PLEX, Omega, Packs, etc. goes towards paying for servers And Gunjack, Valkyrie, WoD, DustII, Legion, Vanguard etc. If they would cut back on that, a lot more money to fix up Eve some. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-gamers-want/488430.md?page=3)