# What happened to Eve? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 10, 2020, 4:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-eve/224797 "2020-03-10T04:06:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-eve/224797/167 "2020-03-11T23:18:59Z")
> [@Amun\_Doshu](#): > > the only stupid here are you entitled little losers who think others have to bow to your will Why do I need others to bow to my will? CCP is already in agreement with me. You’re the one trying to force others to bow to your will and implement changes that you want. ---
**Author:** ![Amun\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amun_doshu/32/191569_2.png) [@Amun\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amun_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-eve/224797/168 "2020-03-11T23:22:59Z")
I think you are playing a different game and not eve. ccp is very much not in agreement with you, there are insane lots of pve, actually 90% of the game is pve so. sry, you need to head back to wow ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-eve/224797/169 "2020-03-11T23:25:17Z")
> [@Amun\_Doshu](#): > > ccp is very much not in agreement with you That’s funny, because you’re the one demanding changes while we’re all saying “nope, leave things as they are”. > actually 90% of the game is pve Nope, not even close. Please remember that mining, industry, market manipulation, etc, are PvP activities. ---
**Author:** ![Amun\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amun_doshu/32/191569_2.png) [@Amun\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amun_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-eve/224797/170 "2020-03-11T23:28:17Z")
yeah, nope, mining is not, industry is not trading is not just market pvp is but insanely few people do it, missioning is not, ratting even if it happens in low or null are not and 90% of the time takes these activities. this is why so many of us leaves, there is no real incentive in playing pvp. no matter how you try to force people and keep saying this is a pvp game, no this is NOT. this is a pve game with some pvp ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-eve/224797/171 "2020-03-11T23:30:38Z")
> [@Amun\_Doshu](#): > > market pvp is but insanely few people do it Not according to the threads in Information Portal about the Market Changes You know nothing, John McClane ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-eve/224797/172 "2020-03-11T23:30:41Z")
Everything in EVE is PvP. You have to compete with other players for limited asteroid and ice resources. That’s PvP. Your shiny L3/L4 mission ship can get ganked at any time. Mission running is PvP. Exploration is PvP. Industry is PvP. Your competition can war dec you at any time and blow up your manufacturing Citadel, etc… ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-eve/224797/173 "2020-03-11T23:30:51Z")
> [@Amun\_Doshu](#): > > mining is not, industry is not Nope. Mining and industry are both activities where your success or failure is determined by competition against other players. IOW, textbook PvP. > missioning is not, ratting even if it happens in low or null are not You’re right, these activities are the actual PvE in EVE. Coincidentally they are both menial zero-effort tasks, and if they were the entirety of an EVE player’s experience hardly anyone would stay in the game for longer than a few weeks. And if they were removed entirely the rest of the game would feel very little impact. ---
**Author:** ![Amun\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amun_doshu/32/191569_2.png) [@Amun\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amun_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-eve/224797/174 "2020-03-11T23:33:58Z")
and you are double wrong again, mining is not more pvp than missioning or ratting and ratting is actually far more effort than mining. strangely all delve do nearly exclusively is ratting. tell them they are the minority, i think they will laugh all day 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-eve/224797/175 "2020-03-11T23:34:34Z")
> [@Amun\_Doshu](#): > > mining is not more pvp than missioning or ratting Oh really? Then tell me just how exactly your income from mining is determined. ---
**Author:** ![Amun\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amun_doshu/32/191569_2.png) [@Amun\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amun_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-eve/224797/176 "2020-03-11T23:35:01Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > Everything in EVE is PvP. You have to compete with other players for limited asteroid and ice resources. That’s PvP. Your shiny L3/L4 mission ship can get ganked at any time. Mission running is PvP. Exploration is PvP. Industry is PvP. Your competition can war dec you at any time and blow up your manufacturing Citadel, etc… really? you clearly dont have the understanding to even talk about this 😃 sure even tetris is pvp too 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-eve/224797/177 "2020-03-11T23:36:13Z")
> [@Amun\_Doshu](#): > > even tetris is pvp Damn right [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OizJoJ\_6mpo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OizJoJ_6mpo) ---
**Author:** ![Amun\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amun_doshu/32/191569_2.png) [@Amun\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amun_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-eve/224797/178 "2020-03-11T23:36:13Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > > [@Amun\_Doshu](#): > > > > mining is not more pvp than missioning or ratting > > Oh really? Then tell me just how exactly your income from mining is determined. by a stagnant average of the masses, and not by your own actions. sry if i burst your bubble ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-eve/224797/179 "2020-03-11T23:36:43Z")
So, miners don’t have to compete with other players for resources? Mission runners face absolutely no threat from other players while running around in their shiny L4 mission ships? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-eve/224797/180 "2020-03-11T23:38:34Z")
> [@Amun\_Doshu](#): > > by a stagnant average of the masses, and not by your own actions. sry if i burst your bubble So let me get this straight, you think that an activity is not PvP if it involves a large group of players and not 1v1 competition? Is a large fleet battle PvE because each individual player has little impact on the outcome of the fight and their actions occur against the average of the masses in the opposing fleet? ---
**Author:** ![Amun\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amun_doshu/32/191569_2.png) [@Amun\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amun_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-eve/224797/181 "2020-03-11T23:51:28Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > So, miners don’t have to compete with other players for resources? Mission runners face absolutely no threat from other players while running around in their shiny L4 mission ships? ohh, then you have never tried it 😃 😃 😃 there is much more pvp action in a lvl4 mission site than in any mining ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-eve/224797/182 "2020-03-11T23:52:26Z")
Ask any Orca pilot that I’ve ever denied access to an Ice Anom and they will most definitely tell you that mining is PvP… ---
**Author:** ![Amun\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amun_doshu/32/191569_2.png) [@Amun\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amun_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-eve/224797/183 "2020-03-11T23:53:00Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > > [@Amun\_Doshu](#): > > > > by a stagnant average of the masses, and not by your own actions. sry if i burst your bubble > > So let me get this straight, you think that an activity is not PvP if it involves a large group of players and not 1v1 competition? Is a large fleet battle PvE because each individual player has little impact on the outcome of the fight and their actions occur against the average of the masses in the opposing fleet? except its not an opposing fleet, its a coop fleet so its more of a coop pve ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-eve/224797/184 "2020-03-11T23:54:50Z")
Miners must love the PvE I give em when I undercut their ore sales ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-eve/224797/185 "2020-03-11T23:55:18Z")
Miners must also love the PvE they get when CODE pops them… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-eve/224797/186 "2020-03-11T23:56:09Z")
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