# What happened to the "High Sec Expansion" we were promised? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 20, 2018, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-the-high-sec-expansion-we-were-promised/52270 "2018-01-20T14:06:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Mei\_Seung-Li](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mei_seung-li/32/171096_2.png) [@Mei\_Seung-Li](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mei_Seung-Li)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-the-high-sec-expansion-we-were-promised/52270/242 "2018-01-28T09:51:18Z")
> [@Vulvona\_Ride-in](#): > > thats the very nature of the game itself. > > You cannot go to a Ferrari Car dealer and ask them you make their Ferrari look more like a Peugot. Sure you can ![ferrari-f360-replica-kitcar-peugeot-406-coupe-14](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/7/571e01aafdf72100720ebc235539646eb611d143.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/516090_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-the-high-sec-expansion-we-were-promised/52270/243 "2018-01-28T10:04:23Z")
Huh, that’s a Peugeot that pretends to look like a Ferrari, it’s the opposite of what he was saying. (not agreeing nor disagreeing, just noting it’s a Ferrari kit for the Peugeot 406 coupe, not an actual Ferrari) ---
**Author:** ![Grimliver\_Aurilen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grimliver_aurilen/32/20039_2.png) [@Grimliver\_Aurilen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grimliver_Aurilen)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-the-high-sec-expansion-we-were-promised/52270/244 "2018-01-28T11:54:33Z")
it got lost in the same folder as player built stargates 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Agondray](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agondray/32/414989_2.png) [@Agondray](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agondray)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-the-high-sec-expansion-we-were-promised/52270/245 "2018-01-28T12:21:21Z")
NS has the shipyards, empire has the fobs, it requires atleast a small team in good ships with lots of logi from what I read on it ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-the-high-sec-expansion-we-were-promised/52270/246 "2018-01-28T19:12:14Z")
Obviously you misunderstand what I’m talking about. I have max skills and no problem surviving the site. What I’m talking about is the actual site timer not allowing enough time to hack all 4 cans. In my experience most of the time the site usually expires after hacking the 2nd or 3rd can. That’s why I find it very hard to believe players who say they do those sites all the time and always successfully hack all 4 cans. Anyway, doesn’t matter. The main point of this thread is that CCP hasn’t delivered the big High Sec Expansion that was promised. Personally I don’t like hearing Expansions are being made specifically for each various sector of space. Going by that, it’ll be years before each specific sector of space get’s any new content added. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-the-high-sec-expansion-we-were-promised/52270/247 "2018-01-28T20:22:12Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > In my experience most of the time the site usually expires after hacking the 2nd or 3rd can. That’s why I find it very hard to believe players who say they do those sites all the time and always successfully hack all 4 cans. well since I do them 4 at 90% of time, I find hard to believe people who say they can’t. I agree that sometimes I only have the time to do 2 of them, but more likely taking time to scan, opening the special can first, not having a mwd, or not warping in cloaked may be what reduces your %rate. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-the-high-sec-expansion-we-were-promised/52270/248 "2018-01-28T20:41:46Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > but more likely taking time to scan, opening the special can first, not having a mwd, or not warping in cloaked may be what reduces your %rate. Definitely sounds logical and could easily be the case. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Tahl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_tahl/32/377209_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Tahl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Tahl)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 12:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-the-high-sec-expansion-we-were-promised/52270/249 "2018-01-29T00:28:24Z")
I don’t warp in cloacked, I don’t use MWD, I go for special can first, still 3/4 times I do all 4 cans. 🕶 I run these sites in my combat exploration Phantasm, don’t have spare mid slot to fit a Cargo Scanner, so I go for special can first, as it usually holds half the sites loots, even though it may shorten time limit I go and grab it first. Traveling between cans is what taking most of the time in the site, and Phantasm has nice ~1400m/s AB speed. Can explosion strips shield off If I’m not careful getting out in time though, but half armor is the worst I got from rats so far. Got out to [Hjoramold](http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Hjoramold) the other day, theres [Contested Minmatar Legendary Stronghold](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Contested_Minmatar_Legendary_Stronghold) a COSMOS site. 40+50 respawning hackable cans, lots of respawning rats you have to kill while hacking. Wish there were more sites like that. Wish common data/relic sites escalated to guarded harder to scan and hack sites. Wish combat sites randomly had a can or 2 to hack. That’d be fun… for me. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-the-high-sec-expansion-we-were-promised/52270/250 "2018-01-29T01:25:11Z")
There’s actually quite a few different static Cosmos Complexes like that. Those sites are mainly for Cosmos Agent missions. The Agents and those Complexes are located in various High sec systems of the 4 main Empire Factions as well as in Low and Null sec too. [http://web.archive.org/web/20160503212020/http://hb3.info/cosmos/cosmos\_complexlist.html](http://web.archive.org/web/20160503212020/http://hb3.info/cosmos/cosmos_complexlist.html) ---
**Author:** ![Luigi\_mon-de-sound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/luigi_mon-de-sound/32/422750_2.png) [@Luigi\_mon-de-sound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Luigi_mon-de-sound)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 3:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-the-high-sec-expansion-we-were-promised/52270/251 "2018-01-29T03:14:05Z")
In my experience the cans explode after the timer runs out, so unless you have proof like a video everything you have said debatable. And yes I’ve done them before many times. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-the-high-sec-expansion-we-were-promised/52270/252 "2018-01-29T12:38:15Z")
he’s mixing cosmos sites (where you have to find a key in a can, 0.5% chance or smth like that) with ghost sites. They have nothing in common but having cans to hack. 30 I think in the cosmos. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Tahl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_tahl/32/377209_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Tahl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Tahl)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-the-high-sec-expansion-we-were-promised/52270/253 "2018-01-29T13:39:15Z")
> [@Siegfried\_Tahl](#): > > I don’t warp in cloacked, I don’t use MWD, I go for special can first, still 3/4 times I do all 4 cans. 🕶 > > I run these sites in my combat exploration Phantasm, don’t have spare mid slot to fit a Cargo Scanner, so I go for special can first, as it usually holds half the sites loots, even though it may shorten time limit I go and grab it first. Traveling between cans is what taking most of the time in the site, and Phantasm has nice ~1400m/s AB speed. Can explosion strips shield off If I’m not careful getting out in time though, but half armor is the worst I got from rats so far. This part is about Limited Covert Research sites aka highsec Ghost sites, we talk highsec, right? @Luigi_mon-de-sound In my experience cans do explode after timer runs out too. After, you know… sometimes its a half a minute to a minute after I left the site. What ship do you use? Do you mwd between cans? > [@Siegfried\_Tahl](#): > > Got out to Hjoramold the other day, theres Contested Minmatar Legendary Stronghold a COSMOS site. 40+50 respawning hackable cans, lots of respawning rats you have to kill while hacking. Wish there were more sites like that. Wish common data/relic sites escalated to guarded harder to scan and hack sites. Wish combat sites randomly had a can or 2 to hack. That’d be fun… for me. This part is about COSMOS site I visited and found amusing, and expressed desire to see more like it elsewhere. Did it to stay on topic, cause ghost site discussion here seems a bit off. Those are separate paragraphs, I thought it will be clear enough that they describe different stuff. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-the-high-sec-expansion-we-were-promised/52270/254 "2018-01-29T14:01:05Z")
It was clear to me, I’ve completed both Cosmos and Ghost sites. That’s why I left the link listing most of the Cosmos Complexes, in case you wanted to check out some of the other Complexes. ---
**Author:** ![Inovrin\_Tain](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inovrin_tain/32/212602_2.png) [@Inovrin\_Tain](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inovrin_Tain)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-the-high-sec-expansion-we-were-promised/52270/255 "2018-02-01T15:50:09Z")
For lowsec I think Concord should be absent and not save you in the belts, but the gates and stations should have a few sentry guns that fire on aggressors. A “noob” or whatever would have to tank longer or evade or fight back to survive, but it would be a slower rescue from the NPC sentry guns than Concord. Also, if a bomb damages a gate in lowsec, the Navy should cyno in and kill the aggressor. These changes would make lowsec more palatable. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2018, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-happened-to-the-high-sec-expansion-we-were-promised/52270/256 "2018-05-02T15:50:13Z")
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