# What has happened to this game? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 25, 2021, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226 "2021-07-25T09:55:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/226 "2021-07-26T12:14:40Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > The information was in that presentation as it was very narrow and thus meaningless, if you chose to ignore it then it is your issue. But if you’re saying it’s meaningless, surely _you’re_ the one ignoring it. Does that mean it’s your issue? ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/227 "2021-07-26T12:14:46Z")
And again you purposely ignore the statement of ‘Get revenge’ in an attempt to portray that presentation out of context. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/228 "2021-07-26T12:15:17Z")
I’m ganking RIGHT NOW. It looks like CCP approves of ganking! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! ---
**Author:** ![DrRandom07](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drrandom07/32/349558_2.png) [@DrRandom07](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrRandom07)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/229 "2021-07-26T12:15:43Z")
Well I’ve been playing for 9 days now, I logged in here 12 mins ago. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/230 "2021-07-26T12:16:14Z")
I am going to put you on my blog: [https://www.james315.space/](https://www.james315.space/) ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/231 "2021-07-26T12:16:42Z")
Your issue, period. Yawn 🥱 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/232 "2021-07-26T12:16:42Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m simply talking about veterancy as being in the same leagues as veteran players. A newbie will never achieve that because they’ll always be behind in one way or another. Nope. Takes a year, maybe two at most. Past that point if someone hasn’t caught up yet, it’s only because they’re a high-sec PvE-grinding chump. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m not sure where you’re getting those stats from, but again, I think that there have been far bigger changes to the game that haven’t resulted in economic collapse, so the view that the removal of ganking would be economic suicide is nonsense. Those changes didn’t directly result in a massive reduction to destroyed ships and items. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > 🤣 🤣 🤣 No it’s not. I know that some people like to pretend that EVE is some hardcore game and that anyone who plays it is a baller, but it’s really not. It’s a pretty easy game, and ganking is one of the easiest, most carebear mechanics in it. I never said anything about it being hardcore. All I said was that it’s a game about a struggle for wealth and power. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m not trying to change it into a PvE experience, I just don’t think ganking is in any way beneficial to the game, and I’m allowed to hold that view. You’re allowed to hold any view you want, just like the rest of us. My view is that we should go back to 2006-2010 EVE’s game design, which should line up nicely with your desires since that was the time that EVE’s population was growing from the equivalent to what it is today, to a peak of 60,000. That was also the time when you could get shot at just by joining someone else’s fleet, when wars didn’t need the ownership of a structure to initiate, and when stealing someone’s ore didn’t make you a suspect. Although to be fair, we can keep that last one, since it can be exploited for more piracy and destruction quite nicely. ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/233 "2021-07-26T12:17:53Z")
I’m sorry you had to experience this discrimination against new players from these bitter vets. You see on these forums, a person cannot just be a new player with an opposing opinion. We are all alts specifically made to get under their skin. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/234 "2021-07-26T12:20:57Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > My view is that we should go back to 2006-2010 EVE’s game design, which should line up nicely with your desires since that was the time that EVE’s population was growing from the equivalent to what it is today, to a peak of 60,000. > > That was also the time when you could get shot at just by joining someone else’s fleet, when wars didn’t need the ownership of a structure to initiate, and when stealing someone’s ore didn’t make you a suspect. So you are arguing that the reduction of Highsec griefing mechanics had the counterintuitive effect of reducing player retention? Do you seriously expect anyone to believe that making EVE more safe is a bad idea? Why, because new players don’t enjoy a boring game? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/236 "2021-07-26T12:21:33Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > So you are arguing that the reduction of Highsec griefing mechanics had the counterintuitive effect of reducing player retention? Do you seriously expect anyone to believe that making EVE more safe is a bad idea? Why, because new players don’t enjoy a boring game? No, I would _never_ do this. I am a _trustable forum citizen_. ---
**Author:** ![State\_Soldier\_1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/state_soldier_1/32/336854_2.png) [@State\_Soldier\_1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/State_Soldier_1)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/237 "2021-07-26T12:22:01Z")
Im a big time pvper. But I started out running industrial content. I still enjoy it from time to time. Over the weekend checking the map uedema had more kills than delve. This is how bad ganking has gotten and its destroying the highsec playstyles. It needs to go ---
**Author:** ![DrRandom07](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drrandom07/32/349558_2.png) [@DrRandom07](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrRandom07)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/238 "2021-07-26T12:22:20Z")
I wasn’t even a day old so I could’ve been an alt, I can see why he thought I was an alt, but they need to accept that new players exist too ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/239 "2021-07-26T12:23:12Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Such as? I’m yet to see you ask anything sincere. > [@What has happened to this game?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/191): > > I only present that data because it is the only data. Like here you are accusing me of denying information because it doesn’t agree with me: But can you tell me what information i have denied? Can you quote me? Can any of the people that liked the post? @Dracvlad @DeMichael_Crimson And I’m sure you have data to support that. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > And again you purposely ignore the statement of ‘Get revenge’ in an attempt to portray that presentation out of context. I’m not ignoring it. You purposely read too much into it. And then you attribute players quitting to it when it’s as much about players staying. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Your issue, period. Yawn Well as long as you’re here for honest debate… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/240 "2021-07-26T12:23:23Z")
Don’t you know that most newbros want to play a game like FARMVILLE or CANDY CRUSH? It is only a very small part of the gaming culture that wants to play intense PvP games like PUBG, Fortnite, Escape from Tarkov, Starcraft, or World of Tanks. PvP is just kid stuff, but CCP needs to capture the retired mom and grandpa market, and those people want safe calm grinding which they can do while watching television and knitting. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/241 "2021-07-26T12:23:41Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Well as long as you’re here for honest debate… Are you? I have told your previously that this presentation was too narrow and meaningless, but you invited me in to have another roll in the hay over it. 🥱 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/242 "2021-07-26T12:23:47Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > lol, joined 12 minutes ago, nice to see another alt added for back-up to the pro gank squad It’s funny how you say that to this person, but you didn’t say it to the OP, who did the exact same thing. In fact, you were the first person to send them a like. Double standards don’t matter when you’re a righteous video game paladin of justice, it seems. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/243 "2021-07-26T12:25:05Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > That’s fine! The important thing here is that CCP is not listening to you, and nothing you say or do is ever going to change that. I’m doing great in EVE. I’m happy. > > You are just crying in the forums. Wow, typical troll, misrepresent what I say and portray it as something else. You’re delusional if you think I’m crying about High Sec ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/244 "2021-07-26T12:26:22Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Are you? **Yes!** I’ve just asked where you think I’ve been dishonest. We’ve had a million back and forths you and i, but don’t forget I’m the one who told you about the destroyers losing their 25% rof penalty. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/245 "2021-07-26T12:27:52Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > We’ve had a million back and forths you and i, but don’t forget I’m the one who told you about the destroyers losing their 25% rof penalty. I knew that there was a major change in 2011 I think that buffed the destroyers into ganking machines, I had just forgotten what it exactly was. You told me it was the removal of the -25% ROF penalty. I thanked you for giving me that detail. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/246 "2021-07-26T12:28:55Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It does line up with my views, overwhelmingly so. The introduction of SP farms and Citadels were game-ending changes in my view. To be honest if they spun up a 2010 era EVE server with a fresh start for all like Blizzard did with WoW classic, I’d be straight there. So just FYI: that was a time when gankers even got paid CONCORD insurance. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Even back then though my view was that ganking needed a better counter. The fact that anti-gankers are completely ineffective suggests an unbalanaced mechanic. The only upside then was that less people wanted to gank. My view has only shifted to “rip out ganking” because I thnk we’ve reached a point now where too much damage is already done. Oh, I absolutely agree that we need to implement a way for AGs to engage gankers more openly. I spit-balled a system a long time ago that basically made it so that if someone engages a ganker while a gank is in progress, the AG would supersede the CONCORD response. This would technically allow AGs to potentially destroy gankers quicker than the CONCORD response would, but at the same time would allow gankers to fight back and turn it into an actual fight. It was trolled out of existence by the carebears of that time. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226.md?page=11)