# What has happened to this game? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 25, 2021, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226 "2021-07-25T09:55:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/247 "2021-07-26T12:32:15Z")
@Lucas_Kell > **[Retriever | Ngewo Demolka | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/94130695/)** > > Ngewo Demolka (Viziam) lost their Retriever in Ikao (The Citadel). Final Blow by Alleil Pollard (Krigmakt Elite) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 54,820,770.67 ISK This guy has been playing the game twice as long as me. Ganking is how NEW PLAYERS can fight back against LAZY carebear bittervets. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/248 "2021-07-26T12:33:35Z")
Heh, the only way you could know I was the first one to give the OP a like is if it was your alt created to post this thread so you could incite a forum flame war. > [@Luwc](#): > > Reeks of a bait thread. Seems it’s true ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/249 "2021-07-26T12:35:13Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Heh, the only way you could know I was the first one to give the OP a like is if it was your alt created to post this thread so you could incite a forum flame war. Doesn’t it show likes in the order they were given? Yours is the first one. But I like the ‘Another alt of Destiny’ theory too. ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/251 "2021-07-26T12:35:55Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Doesn’t it show likes in the order they were given? Yours is the first one. Was about to say this. Not 100% sure… Let’s test (Like Amatin’s post, then we’ll see if they just show up in order)? I just liked Amatin’s post. EDIT: @DeMichael_Crimson it appears that the order the portraits are in, is just the order the likes are received (left to right). ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/252 "2021-07-26T12:39:21Z")
@Lucas_Kell How does the ganking hurts new player retention argument stack up against the reality, that I’m the noob, and the people being ganked are the crusty bittervets? > **[Retriever | Ngewo Demolka | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/94130695/)** > > Ngewo Demolka (Viziam) lost their Retriever in Ikao (The Citadel). Final Blow by Alleil Pollard (Krigmakt Elite) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 54,820,770.67 ISK This guy has been playing years longer than me. Doesn’t this show that ganking actually improves new player retention, by giving new players a way to fight back against the miners? ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/253 "2021-07-26T12:43:10Z")
A few comments on suicide ganking: As long as it is the “fun” stuff, like with tornadoes, with ample counter play, no one can really be against it. They can be killed, and there is some balance between risk/loss and reward. Ganking with very cheap catalysts, in groups of sometimes several dozens, is where it starts to become questionable. There is no real counter play to these catalyst fleets except trying to be inconspicuous, doing the usual intel work (and feeling murderous and a bit frustrated at the same time). With only one Jita \<\> Amarr hisec route possible (“thank you” ccp for taking Niarja away, yay sarcasm) that has pipe systems the effect of this type of ganking is more obvious. That is the type of suicide ganking that poses an issue. With very little in the way of some level of self-restraint on the part of the suicide gankers, angry posts and threads will become more numerous and angrier. CCP might give in to that. You don’t really want CCP to step in, it will take away freedom in the game - it always does. Here’s an example. Six or maybe seven years ago there were a few notorious players who turned stealth bomb ganking on gates into an art form, pretty much in the same way as catalyst gankers master their art (and the cata fleet ganking is an art, it’s beautiful emerging game play, and smart). Part of the nullsec community cried very loudly, nerf stealth bombers, getting bombed in nullsec was so unfair, etc etc. The result was the removal of command broadcasting (the perceived problem was multiboxing players running entire sb fleets solo), a first round of ugly nerfs on the stealth bomber hulls, and even a concrete plan from ccp Fozzie to make it possible for bombers in the same fleet to decloak each other within 2000m. That was, of course, a horror scenario that would simply abolish sb fleets, their only protection being ability to cloak and stay cloaked until the bombing run starts. Luckily the folks at ccp came to their senses for at least that part of the plan, after reasonable protest from the sb pilots. But the damage was done. There was a first significant drop in PCU because of the embargo on command broadcasting. PCU of course equals income for ccp. Do I ask for restraint on the part of the catalyst suicide gankers. Nope, because that is asking too much. I ask them to think about it, and perhaps switch over to another doctrine before the hammer falls. Come to think of it. If a criminal flag would also deny a pilot to cross a pos shield (same as not being able to dock), at least some level of counter play would open up. It’s a bit silly to see Concord ships hanging around a POS tower with a bubble of reds inside, as so many limp bananas. ps sorry @Jayce_Fitzpatrick, i pushed the wrong reply button apparently ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/254 "2021-07-26T12:43:59Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Doesn’t it show likes in the order they were given? Yours is the first one. Heh, check again, the order of characters listed is based on amount of replies posted to the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/255 "2021-07-26T12:44:22Z")
I think that there should be a similar module to the one that BS can fit for freighters. Would be good to see that work out. @Wadiest_Yong - A thoughtful post, 👍 ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/256 "2021-07-26T12:45:56Z")
> [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > EDIT: @DeMichael_Crimson it appears that the order the portraits are in, is just the order the likes are received (left to right). And you need to get your eyes checked. It’s a list of Frequent Posters, has nothing to do with Likes. ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/257 "2021-07-26T12:46:32Z")
We are not talking about this ![not_this](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/2/3/023a64e119322f1e00a4249cd302ea902c991b8b.png) We are talking about this ![this](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/5/8/458af6dca679ee09a5a34060db6fec8731cddfa2.png) EDIT: > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > And you need to get your eyes checked. It’s a list of Frequent Posters, has nothing to do with Likes. Your hard on for me is immense. I’m still unsure what I’ve ever done to you, that you feel this personal need to insult me every time I open my mouth. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/258 "2021-07-26T12:47:55Z")
Anyone notice how the “waaah gunkers greef newbraz” crowd isn’t responding to the reality, that the people I gank have been playing the game longer than me. They have their myth, but fortunately CCP knows the facts. ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/259 "2021-07-26T12:49:20Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > ps sorry @Jayce_Fitzpatrick, i pushed the wrong reply button apparently No worries. Was a bit puzzled why the reply to me at first, but nice that you cleared it up 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/260 "2021-07-26T12:49:50Z")
Ganking is the great equalizer, with no safe space for carebears, new players have the opportunity to succeed against lazy losers. Any new player who wants to come gank salty bitter bears, contact me in game! ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/261 "2021-07-26T12:51:41Z")
Guess you didn’t consider that list is probably done in alphabetical order. > [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > Your hard on for me is immense. I’m still unsure what I’ve ever done to you, that you feel this personal need to insult me every time I open my mouth. There was no insult. And you’re the one who keeps making it personal. How about you get off of my back. ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/262 "2021-07-26T12:52:14Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Guess you didn’t consider that list is probably done in alphabetical order. But it’s not though? Again, why can’t you just agree with me? This is not even an issue about ganking, just plain forum nonsense we just tested above. ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/264 "2021-07-26T12:54:52Z")
Thanks. Good to see you are not at all salty about it. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/265 "2021-07-26T12:56:55Z")
Tribalism. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/266 "2021-07-26T13:00:13Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Heh, the only way you could know I was the first one to give the OP a like is if it was your alt created to post this thread so you could incite a forum flame war. > > > [@Luwc](#): > > > > Reeks of a bait thread. > > Seems it’s true ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/7/c/47c240b10af748d77d70468889548251a961c19e.png) He’s the first one to like the OP, spends countless posts arguing in their favor, and now calls it a bait thread after getting called out of the hypocrisy of accusing people of padding arguments with freshly-made alts. ![ace2bfaf10e1e57ea6e5f81a093057aa876cd6dc](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/8/38b2bb41ccc529ad390a7345c22adb32307bb299.jpeg) Can’t make this ■■■■ up. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/267 "2021-07-26T13:08:07Z")
> [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > Your hard on for me is immense. I’m still unsure what I’ve ever done to you, that you feel this personal need to insult me every time I open my mouth. Sir, the answer to that question is very simple: this person basically wishes that anyone who doesn’t subscribe to their version of space game bushido would just _drop dead_ to make the world a better place. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Anyone notice how the “waaah gunkers greef newbraz” crowd isn’t responding to the reality, that the people I gank have been playing the game longer than me. You don’t count because you’re a griefer. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/268 "2021-07-26T13:18:06Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > He’s the first one to like the OP, spends countless posts arguing in their favor, and now calls it a bait thread after getting called out of the hypocrisy of accusing people of padding arguments with freshly-made alts. You’re a liar, I’m not arguing in the OP’s favor. And yes you and your crew multi-game these forums with alt characters, you all constantly jump in very quickly with a gangbang in an attempt to overwhelm anybody who doesn’t share your viewpoints, you constantly misquote statements and portray them out of context, deliberately twisting things around to suit your own hypocritical opinion. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226.md?page=12)