# What has happened to this game? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 25, 2021, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226 "2021-07-25T09:55:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/311 "2021-07-26T14:16:01Z")
1 ISK. AKA trading places… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/312 "2021-07-26T14:16:47Z")
> [@Olorion\_Endergard](#): > > Tell me ‘oh wise one’ in what way could I have survived that attack in my little retriever vs. two ships whose base cost is nearly 400million? Intelligence would help. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/315 "2021-07-26T14:26:40Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Well based on how much they tell them to leave the game, that’s not the case. I think you’re misinterpreting sarcastic responses for genuine hate. Sorry, but not all of us are ill-tempered like DMC. Neither I nor any PvPer or ganker or whatever else I know want anyone to leave the game, with the _exception_ of people who won’t stop constantly crying and begging for non-consensual PvP to be nerfed (who are a vocal minority), and even then only because they’re doing harm to the game with what they say, and not because we hate them or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/316 "2021-07-26T14:28:17Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Ask and you shall receive: > [Destroyer ROF - Crucible](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/patch-notes-for-crucible-1) > > [Barge EHP - Inferno](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/patch-notes-for-inferno-1.2) Thank you. I wish more people would just bring the relevant stuff to their discussions. Makes it so much easier instead of 80% of the discussion being about uncertainties about the material itself. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/317 "2021-07-26T14:28:30Z")
> [@Olorion\_Endergard](#): > > You can look at my last kill mail. Where I was killed in a retriever by an arazu (T2) and Cynabal (pirate faction). Tell me ‘oh wise one’ in what way could I have survived that attack in my little retriever vs. two ships whose base cost is nearly 400million? > > Go on I’ll wait for you to tell me that I’m a bad player making stuff up. Btw I’m not arguing against ganking or gate camps or PvP. Hopefully a new person will read my post before they dip their toes into mining/indy and not get so upset when they get killed is all. > > [Retriever | Olorion Endergard | Killmail | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/kill/94024413/) The Arazu and Cynabal most likely worked together, and with an eye on the ship bonuses: the Arazu functioned as a cloaky long range tackle and the Cynabal as the damage dealer that can quickly jump into a system and warp to the Arazu to help when the Arazu has caught a target. It’s a tough fight when you get caught by them and without backup you’re not going to survive getting tackled by that Arazu. What you could have done to stay alive: **1. Keep an eye on local chat** **2. Mine aligned when you spot possible hostiles** **3. Warp off when hostiles get too close** The Arazu most likely has a targeting delay of 6 seconds after they decloak (which can be reduced to a 3 second delay with cloaking level 5 and specific rigs) in addition to a 3 second lock time to lock your retriever. This means you had 9 seconds to warp off after the Arazu decloaked next to you, or 6 seconds if they minimised locking time. Your Retriever, if aligned, can warp off as soon as you give the warp command. My guess why you got caught is that you weren’t aligned and reacted too slow. Now that you know what to do (keep eye on local, align to safety if you spot danger, warp off if danger gets close) you won’t get caught next time. Hopefully. It is also possible that the Cynabal caught your ship first if you happened to mine at the warp-in point of the site. In that case a Cynabal alone would have been enough. To avoid that scenario: **4. Don’t mine near the warp-in point of a belt 5. Repeatedly use your d-scan at short range (1 AU) to spot incoming uncloaked ships before they land on grid if you expect hostiles** ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/318 "2021-07-26T14:30:16Z")
Dracvlad I’d like my 1 ISK now… ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/319 "2021-07-26T14:30:44Z")
I stand corrected, I was sure it took longer than that. I guess I will be eating humble pie, I better log in and give 1 ISK to Destiny and apologise to all for my error. Damn I was so sure, LOL - Seriously was there another adjustment to the tank to get it to the current level, I was so sure that it was later. Oh well… Still the point is that they adjusted the tank for a good reason. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/320 "2021-07-26T14:34:16Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I guess I will be eating umble pie, I better log in and give 1IKS to Destiny and apologise to all for my error. See, you don’t have to _apologize_. You just have to learn to differentiate between trolling, and people you disagree with (who you _expect_ to be trolling you) referencing actual facts and history. No matter what people think about me, I’m not a _liar_. And I’d say the same for all the other ganking/PvP advocates here. I’ve never seen anyone flat-out make up evidence or anything like that. But the _other_ side sure seems to do it a lot, as is evident with the exchange I’ve just had with another poster. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Still the point is that they adjusted the tank for a good reason. And I agree. And most people, in fact, agreed at the time. Barges (especially T2 variants) were disproportionately thin. I think a major point of contention was that they didn’t differentiate yields between the models enough. We wanted there to be more than a 15% yield difference so that players would use the thinner barges more often. I’d in fact be in favor of bumping Hulks/Covetors up another 15% yield today. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/321 "2021-07-26T14:35:35Z")
> [@Olorion\_Endergard](#): > > The point I was trying to make is that if somebody wants to kill you in an indy/ore. It doesn’t really matter where you are. You can’t stop it. There is no counterplay. Maybe in the mythical 1v1 you can escape, but that hasn’t been mine or anyone I talk to experience in-game. Being outnumbered and outgunned applies to all ships, not just industrialists. You’re complaining about how the sandbox plays. Not necessarily ganking. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Actually @Daichi_Yamato is good at things like this Barge EHP buff? Inferno 2012. They were the first ships to get ‘tieracide’. Oh someone beat me to it. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/322 "2021-07-26T14:38:18Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Gankers don’t want high effort gameplay… ganking it’s a garbage playstyle. There are no ganks on your killboard. Do you have a lot of ganker friends, or how did you get so much intimate knowledge of gankerdom? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/324 "2021-07-26T14:42:22Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I have a gank corp filled with multibox gankers Sure you do. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/325 "2021-07-26T14:42:53Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Ah yes, “my side is virtuous and true but the other side isn’t”. It’s not about virtue, but _public record_. What the “griefers” say always falls much more closely in line with actual history than what their victims say. If you have any examples to the contrary, feel free to provide them. My examples are right here in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/327 "2021-07-26T14:44:50Z")
Mining is easymode PvE. It is a garbage playstyle and should be removed entirely from the game. My source is myself. I have a mining character I mine on, and a mining corp full of multibox miners. I also joined a big mining op a few times and I have even led mining ops. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/330 "2021-07-26T14:50:42Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’ve been advocating for more challenging mining mechanics Welp, you’ve just made some enemies… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/331 "2021-07-26T14:57:07Z")
Lucas discusses his gank career (August 2013), > Remember, I was with the New Order for a few month until I realized it’s not going anywhere. Such expertise! ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/333 "2021-07-26T15:05:54Z")
Lol, can’t even own your own quotes? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/335 "2021-07-26T15:06:27Z")
Pay me and I will. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/339 "2021-07-26T15:47:21Z")
Well, the work day started so I’m paying less attention now. Anyway, I don’t see how this relates to my “misinterpreting sarcastic responses for genuine hate” comment, which holds true here. You’re not being hated. And there’s a history of you claiming to be/have been involved in ganking. Pulling specific quotes is a tricky thing because posts get edited or deleted. I don’t know whether that quote is accurate and it would take an inordinate amount of work to find out (it’s not like pulling patch notes), so this one’s between you two. ---
**Author:** ![Lilath\_Pynnor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilath_pynnor/32/281125_2.png) [@Lilath\_Pynnor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lilath_Pynnor)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/340 "2021-07-26T15:47:52Z")
This seems to be a case of false valour. Lucas is pretending to be a ganker, and claiming as an “experienced ganker” that he has unique expertise and insight into the nature of ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/341 "2021-07-26T15:48:35Z")
Not at all, he has clearly stated what ganking he has done several times. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226.md?page=15)