# What has happened to this game? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 25, 2021, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226 "2021-07-25T09:55:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/77 "2021-07-25T13:51:30Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > > > But yeah, let’s go with your statement that all members of Null Sec Alliances engage equally in all activities… > > Your an idiot if you think that’s what I wrote. It isn’t. > > Sorry, idiot probably isn’t correct. Dishonest is a better summary. Guess you’re dishonest then… > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Go join Goons (who are commonly blamed for highsec ganking), Test, Brave, many of the russian groups, some of the lowsec groups. They support multiple activities and **a lot of members are doing many things**. By the way, ‘a lot’ may not be ‘all’ but it’s very close… ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/78 "2021-07-25T13:56:16Z")
It’s not just that but ‘engage equally in all activities’ isn’t ‘many’ either. ---
**Author:** ![Soltis\_Legate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/soltis_legate/32/281238_2.png) [@Soltis\_Legate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Soltis_Legate)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/79 "2021-07-25T14:06:04Z")
> [@Rollerball\_Rocco](#): > > I dont like pvp and I have never engaged in it as it is not my playstyle PvP isn’t a playstyle. PvP is literally what EVE is about. PvE is incidental. EVE isn’t the kind of game to “relax after work”, I suggest X4: Foundations for that. > [@Rollerball\_Rocco](#): > > so are you going to say to all the care bears and industrialists in Eve dont play the game anymore if you dont like pvp…? Sure. Because EVE is a PvP game. Don’t fly what you can’t afford be blown up. That being said, can I have your stuff? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/80 "2021-07-25T14:08:00Z")
EVE has been open-world 24/7 PVP for 18 years now. You are playing a PVP game. Read that again, as many times as necessary. Everything in EVE is PVP. Even mining and market trading are PVP… ---
**Author:** ![Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pozdro_tubylcy/32/265318_2.png) [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pozdro_Tubylcy)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/81 "2021-07-25T14:13:59Z")
eve has always been, is and will always be a solo player pve game ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/82 "2021-07-25T14:16:51Z")
It was basically implied. The convo was industrialist characters are needed in-game to supply the PvP, his reply was the PvP do their own industrial. So what does that mean exactly? Industrial would be PI, Mining, Manufacturing and Invention. Course would have to include doing Exploration to find the Ore Anomalies for Mining, Hacking sites for invention and PvE combat sites for Faction / Deadspace modules. Oh probably should include doing Market / Trade to help with Manufacturing. So the only things left out is Project Discovery and running missions… ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/83 "2021-07-25T14:31:21Z")
> [@Claudia\_Humpback](#): > > i actually consider to just biomass every thing and delete my accounts. Can I have your stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Soltis\_Legate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/soltis_legate/32/281238_2.png) [@Soltis\_Legate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Soltis_Legate)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/84 "2021-07-25T14:32:14Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Can I have your stuff? Hey! I asked for it first. 🤭 ---
**Author:** ![Soltis\_Legate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/soltis_legate/32/281238_2.png) [@Soltis\_Legate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Soltis_Legate)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/86 "2021-07-25T14:44:51Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > it’s because people are well aware that if they join now they are nothign but fodder for veterans with nothing better to do. That happens in virtually every MMO. New players get experience by going against those who have started playing before them. There’s no shame in being a noob. You learn, lose ships and learn some more until noob becomes less noob and starts destroying the ships of those who start the game after him. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/87 "2021-07-25T14:45:19Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > If you’re a new player deciding to join in, you’re making a serious mistake. I can’t agree more, for most game players this is so true. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > a lot of the time it’s because people are well aware that if they join now they are nothign but fodder for veterans with nothing better to do. If you like to play hard ball against people with a full stacked deck of cards then Eve is your game, how many want that? Totally agree. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/88 "2021-07-25T14:49:58Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > The convo was industrialist characters are needed in-game to supply the PvP, his reply was the PvP do their own industrial. I have a complete, no, multiple complete gank equipment manufacturing pipelines where I produce everything myself. This cuts costs and makes logistics a lot easier. Also it’s super trivial and low effort, it can literately be managed in the downtime between the first few ganks. No idea why industrialists always think they are so special. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Industrial would be PI I actually did that, but it was a bit to tedious for my liking, so I buy the few PI mats I need from the market at the moment. Might change if the ever make it more interesting. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Manufacturing and Invention I do that all by myself > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Course would have to include doing Exploration to find the Ore Anomalies for Mining My targets drop ore or place it in cans for me to take. I think that counts. I also probe them in anoms > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Hacking sites for invention I have a full set of R&D agents, that is enough for the blueprints I have to research, no hacking needed. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > PvE combat sites for Faction / Deadspace modules I don’t need any of that > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Oh probably should include doing Market / Trade to help with Manufacturing. Only for additional ore and PI goods. And to sell off loot. And seriously, it wouldn’t be too hard to have a few more alts running for mining and PI if the price would justify the effort, which might be an option at some point. Anyway, the point is that the PvE farmer crowd isn’t the replaceable backbone of the game they always pride themselves of. As you can see from my example they are merely “useful” in cases where the farming is so boring I rather pay ISK than subject myself to the torture of enduring it myself. ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/89 "2021-07-25T14:52:03Z")
Well, I wasn’t going to nitpick because I sometimes make similar mistakes (i.e. leave a fragment that no longer belongs when editing a sentence). So, I don’t think a contradiction like that (on it’s own), would invalidate your argument. However, since you don’t seem to understand what he was getting at… Either it’s fact, or it’s opinion. You can’t say something is a fact, in your honest opinion. They’re mutually exclusive things. And that’s a fact… in my honest opinion. ![No P2W](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/9/e/c9e5bbcb978427c1d2c78ed0bf7e727425ef954f.png) Uh oh, I see Lucas Kell is replying. This should be fun. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/90 "2021-07-25T14:52:19Z")
> [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > The PvP backbone of eve is… …a balance between gather, grow, and hunt. Neither of which (no matter how much you desperately want it) is more important than any other. /thread Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/92 "2021-07-25T14:53:20Z")
Umm… that was the point I was trying to make? I literally just inverted his post and it still makes sense, cause both aspects are needed for a healthy game. EDIT: Good to see you and DMC agree with me. ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/93 "2021-07-25T14:57:24Z")
I would. But it’s a moot point, because I don’t think that he actually wants to learn. ---
**Author:** ![Soltis\_Legate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/soltis_legate/32/281238_2.png) [@Soltis\_Legate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Soltis_Legate)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/94 "2021-07-25T15:03:30Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > There’s no way a new player now will ever catch up with a trillionaire veteran. I’m a new player and I’m not dreaming of catching up with vets. What I’m dreaming of is participating in one of those huge freaking space battles. I don’t need trillions of isk and t3 ships/modules to do that, I just need to wait for a war and hopefully be in a corp that will participate ( I might not even wait for my corp, I might just jump in and start shooting at anything that moves ) and , yes, I will lose and lose ships but at least I’d have fun. A new player who enters the game with dreams of becoming isk-billionaire and holding a citadel will have a lot of frustrations and is more likely to quit than a new player who plays the game _for_ the game with humble aspirations, like, getting a kill within the first 6 months and manufacturing all his ammo himself and maybe even his favorite Destroyer within a year or less. We can’t all be first and all be the best but we can have fun nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Kell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucas_kell/32/393556_2.png) [@Lucas\_Kell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucas_Kell)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/95 "2021-07-25T15:08:15Z")
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**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/96 "2021-07-25T15:10:25Z")
> [@Claudia\_Humpback](#): > > EvE is a sandbox where every facet of it depends on each other. That’s what I keep saying. And the nerf ganking crowd keeps trying to nerf my play style into the ground, or remove it outright. No one is saying that you have to stop enjoying PvE. They are saying that you should stop whining about the PvP in a PvP-centric game. ![No P2W](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/9/e/c9e5bbcb978427c1d2c78ed0bf7e727425ef954f.png) ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/97 "2021-07-25T15:11:26Z")
> [@Soltis\_Legate](#): > > I’m a new player No, you are not. You are the latest incarnation of some doofus shamed out of the forum for the umpteenth time. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Claudia\_Humpback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/claudia_humpback/32/280004_2.png) [@Claudia\_Humpback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Claudia_Humpback)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/98 "2021-07-25T15:13:03Z")
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