# What has happened to this game? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 25, 2021, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226 "2021-07-25T09:55:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/199 "2021-07-26T11:46:22Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > > > Help them get revenge. > > This part is missing by the way, in regards to hisec ganking. Well, I don’t think Helmar was referring to NPC’s. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/200 "2021-07-26T11:47:38Z")
I was spelling it out so even the gankers could realise what I was referring too, you know how they love to misquote and deflect. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/202 "2021-07-26T11:53:16Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I love to misquote and deflect. Well, at least you admit it. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/203 "2021-07-26T11:55:02Z")
A perfect example of a misquote is duly given. Followed by a deflection… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/205 "2021-07-26T11:56:19Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > > > Help them get revenge. > > This part is missing by the way, in regards to hisec ganking, just in case gankers decide to misquote and deflect. This is not true. When I was a new player, I was griefed by a more experienced player, a miner who wanted me to mine for him. He offered to buy ore from me at 90% of Jita buy value, and pretended like he was my friend. It was a total scam. So I decided to seek revenge, but how could a new player like me challenge an established veteran? Fortunately, I realized my old Runescape boyfriend, James 315 was still playing EVE. So he taught me how to gank, which he described as a “balancing mechanic” to ensure that new players are able to fight back against bitter bears. Thank you CCP for allowing me to gank, subscription retained! ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/209 "2021-07-26T12:01:19Z")
@Dracvlad That Helmar presentation was about brand new players and majority of them quitting within the first week. He cited their first ship loss as the ‘Magic Moment’ of when they decide to stay or leave. He then cited that they were more inclined to stay if they were part of a support group to: Help them understand why it happened. Help them to quickly recover. Help them get revenge. Anybody with half a mind can see what he was referring to. And it’s time to start flagging posts as off-topic ---
**Author:** ![DrRandom07](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drrandom07/32/349558_2.png) [@DrRandom07](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrRandom07)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/210 "2021-07-26T12:02:25Z")
I don’t think ganking is the problem, as a new miner/industrialist I can tell you that the fear of being blown up while in lowsec is what keeps you somewhat interested in the game. If there’s no danger, there’s no game. Seriously if you had 100% protection against other players at all times I would’ve quit. It’s just fun to have the occasional unexpected pvp. If you’re so concerned about getting blown up you should probably fly a cheap ship that you can afford to lose. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/211 "2021-07-26T12:03:59Z")
Exactly, I lost my first ship when my miner ‘friend’ tricked me into a PvE site in an attempt to help him salvage his garbage wrecks. My ship died, and he just laughed like it was funny. He gave me isk to buy a new ship, like the ship meant nothing to him, the emotional effort I put into naming my ship was nothing to him, it was just an object to be used… so I vowed revenge, I plotted and waited. I wanted to kill this miner, but how? How? Fortunately, I found a community of ALPHA MALES and big strong ganker MEN who showed me how a girl could fight back against space bully griefer farmer miners. I guarantee you, when CCP looks through their logs and data, and they consider new player retention - they are gonna look right at Aiko Danuja and say, “Just look at her, now that’s a new player retained by ganking… isn’t she just the greatest?” ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/212 "2021-07-26T12:04:05Z")
lol, joined 12 minutes ago, nice to see another alt added for back-up to the pro gank squad ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/213 "2021-07-26T12:04:56Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Anybody with half a mind can see what he was referring to. Yep, he was referring to ship death. And that people can get over their ship death more easily if they have a group of people around them. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/214 "2021-07-26T12:06:17Z")
Dream on, and while you’re at it post your RP story in the proper sub-forum. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/215 "2021-07-26T12:07:32Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Yep, he was referring to ship death. And that people can get over their ship death more easily if they have a group of people around them. Typical deflection, totally ignore the statement about ‘Getting Revenge’. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/216 "2021-07-26T12:08:44Z")
DeMichael, it’s not roleplay. I was a new player, by some standards I still am. CCP knows this, they can confirm it. The data is there, I gank people who have been playing the game longer than me. The whole “waaaah ganking new players is griefing and bad for retention” argument goes right out the window when you consider the reality. Aiko Danuja is proof that ganking RETAINS new players. CCP knows it, which is why they don’t take your advice. Ganking is how energetic new players can win against lazy carebear bittervets. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/218 "2021-07-26T12:10:29Z")
I’m pretty sure that’s not true. ---
**Author:** ![Quentin\_Schaefer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quentin_schaefer/32/471507_2.png) [@Quentin\_Schaefer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quentin_Schaefer)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/219 "2021-07-26T12:10:49Z")
only one way to find out ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/220 "2021-07-26T12:11:06Z")
Sorry, don’t care about your RP story, go tell it to somebody else. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/221 "2021-07-26T12:11:42Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > You ignored the flaws because it suits you to do so. That’s a no then. You don’t have any information that I’m denying because it doesn’t suit me… > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Those statements should give you a clue of what he was referring to. It’s not a clue. He’s talking about ship loss. That’s why he says ship loss. See what i mean? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > This part is missing by the way, in regards to hisec ganking, just in case gankers decide to misquote and deflect. Misquote what? Revenge is not exclusive to ganking. I’m sorry, is not putting words into peoples mouths a deflection? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > But it’s flawed data, and quite obviously so. If the only data were highly flawed data that concluded an anti-gank stance you’d not be presenting it. So that’s also a no. You can’t tell me what information I’ve denied because it doesn’t suit me? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I do like how you cherry-pick specific sentences and ignore the meat of the posts though. Standard from gankbears. You mean like how you ignore sincere questions? > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Anybody with half a mind can see what he was referring to. And some with an over-active imagination have seen what they want to see. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/222 "2021-07-26T12:11:49Z")
That’s fine! The important thing here is that CCP is not listening to you, and nothing you say or do is ever going to change that. I’m doing great in EVE. I’m happy. You are just crying in the forums. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/223 "2021-07-26T12:12:11Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Typical deflection, totally ignore the statement about ‘Getting Revenge’. And neither did I specifically mention the parts about: > Help them understand why it happened. > Help them to quickly recover. I thought it was clear that was all included as part of ‘having a supportive group around the player’, which I _did_ mention. If you’re trying to make a point, could you please be more explicit in what you’re trying to say, because your previous point can lead to a lot of different conclusions if I start assuming things, so I’d rather not do that and stick only to whatever was explicitly written. You seemed to be implying something with > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Anybody with half a mind can see what he was referring to. What is it you’re trying to tell us? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226/224 "2021-07-26T12:12:41Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > That’s a no then. You don’t have any information that I’m denying because it doesn’t suit me… The information was in that presentation as it was very narrow and thus meaningless, if you chose to ignore it then it is your issue. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-has-happened-to-this-game/321226.md?page=10)