# What i dislike about eve **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 23, 2020, 5:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281 "2020-03-23T05:24:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281/310 "2020-03-26T19:18:33Z")
ITT: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/1/111117c453af07684cfb52274b95a2a79be7fab2.jpeg "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/JIu1De5) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/7/076d48f4e5a5b74db8fa0730b33d2920dff74846.jpeg "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/2Y9EMmN) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/d/0d0db589fc12f1448224721b67eba64f18767edd.jpeg "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/rTdcdIQ) (Shipwreck - I made this one originally, I didn’t swipe it from you. I will get around to…um…“borrowing” a few images from your latest video which I enjoyed eventually. I apologise in advance? 😉 ) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/7/d790d0e6a5d9abe40d6db71dd007eb7a5b9678c8.jpeg "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/tHewFWW) After much thought, my conclusion: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/1/f194815e82fb82e483e4535c81eaea5b77cc64c2.gif "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/l0QR4Eh) ---
**Author:** ![Florisha\_Baldanus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/florisha_baldanus/32/193417_2.png) [@Florisha\_Baldanus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Florisha_Baldanus)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281/311 "2020-03-26T23:46:30Z")
> [@Phelan\_Kheldian](#): > > re, let me provide you with a guide on writing a persuasive essay, it might help you in the future: Sorry, but writing esseys is to prove something/get good grades etc etc im not here to prove to you anything, im not here to make you like what i write. now its fact that ccp(/tall blond guy) have spoken and said that cloaky campers have been nr1 issue with support tickets, forever. He made a talk about how its good that ccp is out in the world to meet its players becouse before(he used cloaky campers as an example) He said he could not understand what the issue was with cloaky campers from text based communucations - but when he meet ppl face to face he could understand the issue better. If you call me a troll for not supplying you with evidence to this fact, then i guess i dont care about you beliving me or not? perhaps you should stop beeing an online professor that demands proof for statements, as this should be a laid back conversation and not what you and others are trying to make it into. and yes, i do hope you get banned for your obvious macroing, that you just confessed to doing… in multiple games… if a person has the power to change your mind, its most likley not a troll. last, i know, people are so spiteful, they cant even handle a conversation as a grownup… why do you think i made a fresh characther to even suggest on the forums that loki might be a little bit op… lol. ---
**Author:** ![Florisha\_Baldanus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/florisha_baldanus/32/193417_2.png) [@Florisha\_Baldanus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Florisha_Baldanus)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281/312 "2020-03-26T23:50:00Z")
> [@Messir\_Astaroth](#): > > Wtf? I didnt even bother to keep reading after that ‘point’, sorry. > > P.S. The rest of the points are also just a pile of emo ■■■■ and garbage yeah… ok? how would you know you havent read any of the points, you just said your emotional state of mind blocked your ability to continue with the simple task of reading… then you call me emo… ---
**Author:** ![Florisha\_Baldanus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/florisha_baldanus/32/193417_2.png) [@Florisha\_Baldanus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Florisha_Baldanus)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281/313 "2020-03-27T00:03:13Z")
> [@Phelan\_Kheldian](#): > > I don’t think there is an endgame to Eve; that’s one of the things I like about it. If I’m happy in subcap ships and battles, there are things for me to do Okay, so first id like to say: THANK YOU - for beeing a decent human beeing and pscyologial fit to have a discussion. (instead of just shitposting.) so yeah, i mean… Eve is diffrent, there is no “end game” as is with other games. Eve has a multitude of “endgame” thus there is no cokiecutter-endgame. most of the pvp is done in small gangs so that might be considerd to be endgame by some. and isk making… But i do think there is a endgame of sorts? for pvp its having 30+ lokis on grid (_having lokis on field is an pvp i-win button_). right now, for isk making, endgame is capitals? i mean, subcaps(that you can multibox) in incursions, will net more profit then 1 super ratting… So incursions is probable end game content also. _But incursions is often not a solo activity, but i do know of people who are skilled enough to do incursions alone with 40+ accounts xD_ for mining i dont have a clue, but it seems like capitals on mining is still “endgame” lvl? (just not as good as it used to be) and industry i have no clue, but im guessing capital & t3c building is endgame? ps. i would just like to point out to all the (other) people who say: “omfg you want dreds to be a i-win button dont you” uhm, yes? no? i dont know… But i do know: id rather have a capital ship to be an “i win” button then a loki-gang. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281/314 "2020-03-27T00:35:35Z")
> [@Florisha\_Baldanus](#): > > THANK YOU - for beeing a decent human beeing and pscyologial fit to have a discussion. > (instead of just shitposting.) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/c/4c31341b582c1368b90560e62acbcdd91ea94365.jpeg "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/EL2I3CW) ---
**Author:** ![Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wavemistress_moidel/32/211447_2.png) [@Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wavemistress_Moidel)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 1:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281/315 "2020-03-27T01:01:54Z")
What I dislike about Eve, not being able to see my sexy battleship in lvl 4 mission plexes. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 1:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281/316 "2020-03-27T01:10:22Z")
I dislike armchair devs, unless they’re me /s ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281/317 "2020-03-27T01:11:18Z")
OMG totally comedy. @Florisha_Baldanus You set the record for the most ■■■■■■■■, untrue, and plain stupid statements on multiple topics in a single thread. Also, show me on the doll where the bad loki touched you 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wavemistress_moidel/32/211447_2.png) [@Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wavemistress_Moidel)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281/318 "2020-03-27T01:16:53Z")
The bad loki was cloaked, I had no idea it was even in the room. XD ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281/319 "2020-03-27T03:22:06Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > So apart from this weakness to numbers, you think they a fine as they are? No, I think all capships are underpowered. > [@](#): > > You can use them already without fear of pvp on a seperate server already. 1. What… you mean on sisi? No thanks. 2. I don’t have a fear of pvp. 3. My suggested fix had nothing to do with pvp, and does not address any such ‘problem’ (capships would still be susceptible to pvp with all the capship haters playing on a different map or server). It was for the capship haters to have a way to play the game without capships, so that the rest of us wouldn’t have to forever be forced to suffer their incessant nerfs, or even the eventual removal of capships from the game. Basically, I see the situation as this: two groups (capship haters, capship non-haters), who have irreconcilable positions. It’s like pro-life / pro-choice. Neither group is going to convince the other, so the best approach is separation so they don’t have to live amongst each other. I recommend that in real life in the case of irreconcilable politics, and I recommend it in this virtual world. > [@](#): > > Please stop misrepresenting other points of view please. Where/how did I do this? Quote please? ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 3:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281/320 "2020-03-27T03:50:39Z")
> [@Florisha\_Baldanus](#): > > and yes, i do hope you get banned for your obvious macroing, that you just confessed to doing… in multiple games… See… here’s the funny ha-ha about that. I’ve actually talked to GMs in those games. And do you know what they’ve said? As long as I’m at my keyboard, there was nothing wrong with running my macro… because I was still attentive at my keyboard. I literally had a GM page me once and ask me if I was running a macro. I said yes. He replied, “Okay, that’s fine as long as you are at your keyboard.” So, feel free to hope I get banned… it will literally get you nothing. This is an example of you talking about things you do not understand (no surprise there). > [@Florisha\_Baldanus](#): > > If you call me a troll for not supplying you with evidence to this fact, then i guess i dont care about you beliving me or not? > perhaps you should stop beeing an online professor that demands proof for statements, as this should be a laid back conversation and not what you and others are trying to make it into. Perhaps if you want people to take you seriously, you should actually provide some evidence to support your facts. No I’m not looking to grade you; but, I don’t take anyone seriously who makes bold and broad statements without any significant evidence to back it up. Especially when they are talking about making changes to a game. > [@Florisha\_Baldanus](#): > > if a person has the power to change your mind, its most likley not a troll. But you don’t have the ability to change my mind. You have little to no facts to support your argument (back to that whole citation thing). Now… if you were someone who was on the CSM or a well respected member of the Eve community, **maybe** I’d take your opinion as something to be considered without facts as I **might** consider you an expert. But you don’t fall into those categories, so I don’t have to worry about that consideration. > [@Florisha\_Baldanus](#): > > last, i know, people are so spiteful, they cant even handle a conversation as a grownup… why do you think i made a fresh characther to even suggest on the forums that loki might be a little bit op… I’d say you aren’t the one able to handle a conversation as a grown-up considering your inability to provide citations to your supposed facts. Providing evidence is the difference between having a discussion as adults and having an argument like a child. > [@Florisha\_Baldanus](#): > > But i do think there is a endgame of sorts? > for pvp its having 30+ lokis on grid > ( _having lokis on field is an pvp i-win button_ ). People have already told you the numerous counters to artie Lokis. Those AFK cloakies you fear so very much are sitting in ships that can fire bombs at those Lokis and destroy them with ease. Literally nevermind that some actually provided you with zkillboard **facts** about how many capitals have been soloed by Lokis compared to capitals popping Lokis. Again, your argument has been counter with **facts**. Since you probably missed it, I’ll relink the post for you: [What i dislike about eve - #251 by Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281/251) The whole idea that you think capitals should be ‘i win’ buttons is anti-Eve. While more powerful ships have always been a part of Eve. Force multiplers (EWAR, bombs, etc.) have also been a part of Eve for a long time. Its obvious you want to feel safe in your capital. **News flash** : the only safe place in Eve is in dock… in an NPC owned station. ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 3:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281/321 "2020-03-27T03:52:53Z")
As if I care what they think of me. The player is incapable of considering the idea they are wrong… despite people providing facts (and citations for said facts) that show she’s wrong. I quit caring what anti-intellectuals thought of me a long time ago. ---
**Author:** ![marVLs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marvls/32/478691_2.png) [@marVLs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/marVLs)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281/322 "2020-03-27T09:05:51Z")
One thing i dislike in EVE from many years… a lack of real new content like it was in 2x per year expansion era (i stop playing because of that, only check eve news and forum hoping it would change ☹ ) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281/323 "2020-03-27T10:00:42Z")
> [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > My suggested fix had nothing to do with pvp, So the cruisers you speak about are NPCs? > [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > capships would still be susceptible to pvp with all the capship haters playing on a different map or server > [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > That’s exactly what I proposed… either in a section of space, or on a separate server. Which is it? Either you want to be placed on a seperate server, or you dont. This misrepresentation for example: > [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > Then you people can play “frigates and cruisers online” to your hearts’ content. > [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > I see the situation as this: two groups (capship haters, capship non-haters) Well thats not how it is. You just like a Them and us dicotomy so youve someone to get angry at. > [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > It’s like pro-life / pro-choice. No, it really isnt. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281/324 "2020-03-27T10:07:35Z")
> [@Phelan\_Kheldian](#): > > As long as I’m at my keyboard, there was nothing wrong with running my macro… because I was still attentive at my keyboard You need to be careful there, CCP’s ruling on macros is one key press = one action; which allows for people remapping keys with keyboards and mice that are macro enabled, but doesn’t allow you to string multiple actions together with one key press. Using a macro to map alt, ctrl, or shift + a key is fine as they are modifier keys recognised in the game and only performs a single action, using a macro to point someone and then hit the weapons buttons is not because it performs multiple actions. If someone does string together multiple actions with one key press, they risk a ban from Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281/325 "2020-03-27T11:04:53Z")
I don’t use one on Eve. No need to since modules stay active until you turn them off. The entire macro discussion hinges on the hypothetical idea of cloaking units needing to be reactivated every cycle… something CCP isn’t likely going to do. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281/326 "2020-03-27T11:06:42Z")
I dislike not having a decloaking alarm on my cloaky ship. Bad things happen sometimes when one is trying to work a little bit on the “debit side of the EvE economy” and not taking extra care. Yes, i’d really like a warning sound for decloaking. Maybe Aura could yell something appropriate ? But no 🔴 to accompany it, not THAT ! > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > If someone does string together multiple actions with one key press decloaking usually does that 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281/327 "2020-03-27T11:29:43Z")
Ah my bad, I misunderstood your post; the repugnant bleating from the OP didn’t help. ---
**Author:** ![Dubowitz\_Syndrome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dubowitz_syndrome/32/179687_2.png) [@Dubowitz\_Syndrome](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dubowitz_Syndrome)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281/328 "2020-03-27T12:19:03Z")
I see your Lokis and raise you an even number of Arty machs. Who wins? Or since most arty loki fits are 10mn I raise you a combat scanner and a fleet of t1 brawling cruisers warping on top of them. If Lokis are paper you bring scissors to beat them, not a rock. ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281/329 "2020-03-27T17:39:15Z")
> [@Ramona McCandless](#): > > > [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > > > My suggested fix had nothing to do with pvp, > > So the cruisers you speak about are NPCs? I don’t know what you are talking about. Perhaps you need to re-read my post. I didn’t suggest my fix for any reasons having to do with PvP. I suggested my fix because some people want to play this game with capships as they are, or even better than they are. Other people want to play this game with capships nerfed, or removed from the game. The two positions are irreconcilable. My fix is simply to divide the game, and I offered two ways to do that. The motivation for the offered fix has nothing to do with PvP. The motivation would be there regardless of whether PvP existed in the game, or didn’t exist. The motivation is simple: One group hates capships and would rather them not even be in the game (or if they are in the game, they want them greatly nerfed even more). The other group doesn’t hate capships, and either wants them left alone, or even improved. > [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > capships would still be susceptible to pvp with all the capship haters playing on a different map or server > [@Ramona McCandless](#): > > Which is it? Either you want to be placed on a seperate server, or you dont. Again, you aren’t reading or understanding my post, my point, and my intent. I suggested either of the two ways of doing it. One way was to divide the map. The other way was to have two different servers. There may yet be even other ways to do it, but I suggested two ways as an example. I don’t really care how you do it. The intent of the suggestion wasn’t to pointlessly nitpick and bicker about which alternative, but to paint a broader picture of the solution (divide the game, so we can have our game, and you can have yours). > [@](#): > > This misrepresentation for example: > > > [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > > > Then you people can play “frigates and cruisers online” to your hearts’ content. It’s not a misrepresentation. Some people want to play “frigates and cruisers online.” I didn’t necessarily include you into that category (even though you said you’d like capships removed until some ‘role’ could be found for them) - you can place yourself in whatever category you think you belong. But it _is_ a category, and some people _are_ in it. > [@](#): > > > [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > > > I see the situation as this: two groups (capship haters, capship non-haters) > > Well thats not how it is. You just like a Them and us dicotomy so youve someone to get angry at. There’s always a them and us. That simply means there are groups of people, which there always are. As for me wanting someone to get angry at, I’m not the one for years who spewed anger and venom on various forums first to get battleships nerfed to oblivion, and now capships (I’m not saying you did that, I’m saying some people did that and continue to do that). So the way I see it is, it’s the other side who has something and someone to be angry at. > [@](#): > > > [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > > > It’s like pro-life / pro-choice. > > No, it really isnt. I beg to differ. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-i-dislike-about-eve/227281.md?page=17)