# What is Causing EVE to Die? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 29, 2024, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580 "2024-11-29T07:27:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/244 "2024-12-15T15:05:58Z")
Well that’s odd…as I’ve gone _from_ group play _to_ solo play, which I now spend more time doing. But this was a necessary part of my evolution, as I’ve learned _vastly more_ about ship fittings and combat in 4 months of solo play that I ever did in 3 years of flying F1 monkey in doctrine ship fleets. So there is a downside to being in groups, being told what to fly, when to fly, and so on. And to be honest…less of a sense of achievement. I want to be formidable…and I think solo is the quickest way to get there. ---
**Author:** ![Dirk\_Kajhone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dirk_kajhone/32/419135_2.png) [@Dirk\_Kajhone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dirk_Kajhone)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/245 "2024-12-15T15:06:59Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > If you want discussion of ways to fix war decs or ganking or any other issue, start a topic on that specific issue. Okay fair enough, I guess I see some of the issues you’re referring to. Not sure it would be any different in another thread tho. If I think of something useful to discuss I’ll go ahead with one. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/246 "2024-12-15T15:21:06Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > You’re making absolute statements about something that is nuanced. when you observe 9 out of 10 ppl(or animals in nature) with in the same category type doing/responding/expiring in the same exact way, it does not become nuanced but observed activity. I know im not the only one that has had these observations… Why do you think many of the Ganking community or the "PvP’ community talk the same way about these people?? because its nuanced? But i digress, im not going to go in circles with you, or anyone else for that matter… I think to understand this game better is to understand one of the final founders still working at CCP and to understand the nature of the question of this thread…so i will leave this here. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/8/6/2863064c1adff7e237103e90140a0c39b7167588.jpeg "Mastering Virtual Worlds & Economies (CCP Games | Creators of EVE Online)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC3-_d62ljM) ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/247 "2024-12-15T15:24:02Z")
> [@Max\_Deveron](#): > > Experience of observation over the past 15 yrs, soon to be 16yrs I’ve been here over 12 years myself, but I couldn’t begin to quantify every other player and how they feel in game. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/248 "2024-12-15T15:25:55Z")
i never talked about feelings…just behavioral conditions and observations… I dont care about feelings, just the actions and the results of them. ---
**Author:** ![Draco\_Draconem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/draco_draconem/32/378831_2.png) [@Draco\_Draconem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Draco_Draconem)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/249 "2024-12-15T15:51:54Z")
Eve has more players now then it ever has as far as i can tell. Over 30k consistently. There is so much market demand in jita that the market is breaking. I have been hearing “eve is dying” for 6 or more years. This is just a bait, like which is better, Pepsi or Coke? I see people buying plex right and left. People playing with 8 omega accounts. Unless you have some actual data on CCP’s finances, you are just wanting something to gossip about. ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/250 "2024-12-15T17:03:12Z")
> [@Draco\_Draconem](#): > > Eve has more players now then it ever has as far as i can tell. > [@Draco\_Draconem](#): > > People playing with 8 omega accounts. Do you see the issue you just highlighted? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/251 "2024-12-15T17:12:14Z")
CCP’s bottom line is income. If fewer people want to multibox more, what’s the problem? ---
**Author:** ![Power\_Armor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/power_armor/32/413178_2.png) [@Power\_Armor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Power_Armor)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/252 "2024-12-15T17:33:27Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > > [@Yiole\_Gionglao](#): > > > > Nine years, you say? LOL you sweet summer child, I’ve been a part of EVE Online for 15 years, starting in 2009 and winning the game (as in stop giving money to CCP) in 2017. > > Um…8 years isn’t 15 years. Basically you _haven’t_ been ‘a part of Eve’ for over 7 years, yet somehow consider yourself qualified to comment on the current state of the game. > > ![32k Players](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/8/3/283e81794e129b3d36d9f9b140bf0478226a6114.jpeg) He/she did not write that Eve playing was stopped. Only giving money to CCP. You know you can play EVE without giving money to CCP, right? By being Alpha or by using ISK for PLEX? Such things should be known. ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/253 "2024-12-15T19:07:32Z")
It’s not a problem until someone points at the online numbers whilst pointing out the amount of multiboxers. If everyone had 8 Omega accounts there would only be 3750 individual players when 30k were showing online. Yes CCP will be getting the cash one way or another, but the showing of how many players are online is a lie. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/254 "2024-12-15T19:21:39Z")
im curious… As a “solo” player, why do you even care about any of that? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/255 "2024-12-15T19:23:00Z")
> [@Spacetramp\_Drago](#): > > It’s not a problem until someone points at the online numbers whilst pointing out the amount of multiboxers. You are doing that right now, but what’s the problem? EvE has 5000 multiboxers, or 30,000 solo players - who cares? Run as many as you want - no problem. ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/256 "2024-12-15T19:34:44Z")
I don’t particularly. But for new players looking for a corp the numbers showing don’t add up for them. They’ll join a corp expecting say 60 members only to find out down the line there’s only 9 or 10 individuals. I’ve been there, and left within hours. It’s why I’m solo now, you just can’t trust the numbers anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/257 "2024-12-15T19:46:39Z")
ah ok i see… you expected a group of 60 people…expectations went up in smoke… so you left the corp basically immediately… Instead of trying to interact and ask questions. Instead of trying to be a team player. and you went solo and formulated an attitude and opinion that is the cornerstone of: What is Causing EvE to Die. I get it have fun being solo and irrelevant ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/258 "2024-12-15T19:46:41Z")
Corp info should not only show total number of members but also number of members logged in last 30 days. Corps lists 500 members, you join and turns out 400 haven’t logged in last 3 months and only 40 have in the last month. 12 are online but but none of them talk. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/259 "2024-12-15T19:47:39Z")
> [@Max\_Deveron](#): > > have fun being solo and irrelevant For someone getting angry when others tell you that you keep going on about solo stuff, to then pretty much deny it. You sure do keep talking about how solo is bad. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/260 "2024-12-15T19:48:22Z")
not angry at all… just accepting proof of my point of view ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/261 "2024-12-15T19:52:01Z")
I use zkillboard when considering what corps to join. No idea why anyone would use corp info or expect ‘talk’. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/262 "2024-12-15T19:54:38Z")
Sure, so would I and most other experienced players. But not newer players and _those_ are important when talking about what this thread is about. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/263 "2024-12-15T19:58:43Z")
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