# What is Causing EVE to Die? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 29, 2024, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580 "2024-11-29T07:27:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/328 "2024-12-19T18:18:45Z")
> [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > are _you_ a vampire?? Maybe she’s an > **[Energy Nosferatu | EVE Ref](https://everef.net/market-groups/662)** > > Reference site for EVE Online 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Thork\_DeLaroche](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thork_delaroche/32/446812_2.png) [@Thork\_DeLaroche](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thork_DeLaroche)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/329 "2024-12-19T18:22:09Z")
> [@Aallin\_Gicquet](#): > > Can we get enough players on the same page to demand this Probably. > [@Aallin\_Gicquet](#): > > and will CCP listen Probably not. > [@Aallin\_Gicquet](#): > > how do we, as players, get the attention of CCP to make the changes you have outlined Good question but I doubt there is a good way to do that short of “players scarcity” to take the topic of a recent thread. Good luck getting anything done that the players think is good for the game. I think that CCP is like this ![1000004003](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/e/2/8e20616b0156d0e725c8c0fd4ec8fa9c20e68d9e.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/330 "2024-12-19T18:58:04Z")
I did a talk at a fanfest a few years back called Longevity. Pretty much covers my thoughts on the subject. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/d/2/4d223a96a37dddc9302ac782c7a077546c78c3ee.jpeg "EVE Online I EVE Fanfest 2022 – Mike Azariah: Longevity") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn-uFZL5NaM) m ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/331 "2024-12-19T19:06:50Z")
> [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > are _you_ a vampire?? Indeed Sweetie ![hood](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/7/0/e70c8f14749868e510b58548803273157e32aa50.jpeg) In EVE however, Zaera likes to drain capsuleers of their wealth. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/332 "2024-12-19T19:17:44Z")
> [@Thork\_DeLaroche](#): > > Good question Shocking !!! ---
**Author:** ![Thork\_DeLaroche](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thork_delaroche/32/446812_2.png) [@Thork\_DeLaroche](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thork_DeLaroche)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/333 "2024-12-19T19:26:46Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Shocking !!! Sorry I shocked you, dear. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/334 "2024-12-19T19:41:40Z")
WAAAAAHHH!!! Not my money!! With terrified regards -James Fuchs ---
**Author:** ![Sibylla\_Gaia\_Delphia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sibylla_gaia_delphia/32/444603_2.png) [@Sibylla\_Gaia\_Delphia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sibylla_Gaia_Delphia)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 12:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/335 "2024-12-20T00:18:10Z")
Hi, @Fatt_Albert Toxic trolls, Scammers and A-holes are causing EVE to die. I’m a fraid it’s terminal. R.i.P Good news is, there are other and better MMOs out there, the ones who don’t take your time and your wallet for granted. o7 ---
**Author:** ![Power\_Armor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/power_armor/32/413178_2.png) [@Power\_Armor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Power_Armor)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/336 "2024-12-20T01:07:16Z")
Who takes which wallet for granted? Last time i checked, Eve offers a free-to-play option? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/337 "2024-12-20T01:11:05Z")
> [@Sibylla\_Gaia\_Delphia](#): > > Hi, @Fatt_Albert I’m afraid he’s not listening to you since he doesn’t exist. But I think you know that. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Distaine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/distaine/32/502653_2.png) [@Distaine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Distaine)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/338 "2024-12-20T01:19:18Z")
Absolutely incorrect and totally backwards. We need bad guys, villains, and you cant be some low skills chump (90% of players) to provide the content that great games need. Carebears are CANCER and have killed every single game that they are allowed to influence decisions. CCP is to blame in the end because they seem to think that listening to the majority is all it takes to make a great game. Only the best can play the role of the bad-guy and unfortunately, CCP has done the major damage of eliminating the competition to the current power structure mostly while being mislead by nullblock players who are smarter than they are and influence game mechanics in only their favor… What do you think this is? AOL Chat Utopia? Get a clue and know when you are part of the problem. Creation of completion and neutrality should be the role of CCP and they are anything BUT. ---
**Author:** ![Sibylla\_Gaia\_Delphia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sibylla_gaia_delphia/32/444603_2.png) [@Sibylla\_Gaia\_Delphia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sibylla_Gaia_Delphia)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 1:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/339 "2024-12-20T01:24:48Z")
> [@Power\_Armor](#): > > Who takes > [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > I’m afraid > [@Distaine](#): > > Absolutely As I said… trolls and a-holes. ---
**Author:** ![Kaely\_Tanniss](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaely_tanniss/32/474209_2.png) [@Kaely\_Tanniss](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaely_Tanniss)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 2:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/340 "2024-12-20T02:47:16Z")
Hey Hey Hey! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 4:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/341 "2024-12-20T04:35:34Z")
I think i might know the answer to the OP question… What is causing EvE to Die? The fact newbies, noobies, Half the veteran playerbase, and especially the Devs all forget… This is FREAKING VIDEO GAME! ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/342 "2024-12-20T17:28:58Z")
> [@Aallin\_Gicquet](#): > > Can we get enough players on the same page to demand this and will CCP listen. So far it seems that they want to listen to only what they want to hear. TBH running a game as a business often requires doing things in a way different than players would choose to do them. And equally TBH, 99 out of 100 “player ideas and demands” are… less than useful. Since the days when everyone could log in anonymously and shout whatever they wanted whenever they wanted (anonymously, for the most part), game devs and the **vocal** playerbase have developed a somewhat adversarial relationship. EVE players have shifted CCP policy a couple times by essentially “going on strike” and exiting the game. But it’s much harder to shift CCP towards _creating_ a new system or mechanic than it is to get them to retract one. Some people hoped (and still hope) the CSM would be a vehicle for this, but it hasn’t really turned out that way. Best you can do, if you see an idea you like, talk it up. Post it on Reddit. Post it on social media. Go to Fanfest and sit at a table with some folks and discuss it. Eventually, the idea may trickle through a few heads and reach a CCP dev, who’ll mangle it a bit and then think it was his own idea to begin with. I believe that’s somewhat of the process that ended up creating Corporate Projects, for instance. So it’s not completely hopeless, just slow and prone to significant distortion along the way. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/343 "2024-12-20T17:34:36Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Eventually, the idea may trickle through a few heads and reach a CCP dev, who’ll mangle it a bit and then think it was his own idea to begin with. Convincing people that they’re the ones that thought up your idea is the secret, innit? Figure out how to do that consistently and you can twist this game any way you like. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Thork\_DeLaroche](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thork_delaroche/32/446812_2.png) [@Thork\_DeLaroche](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thork_DeLaroche)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/344 "2024-12-20T17:40:21Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Some people hoped (and still hope) the CSM would be a vehicle for this, but it hasn’t really turned out that way. The CSM is pretty impotent. It’s more of a beauty pageant than anything else. They come in this forum once a year to kiss butt for votes and then they’re gone for another year until next election. ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/345 "2024-12-20T18:36:12Z")
> [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](#): > > Damn, what do you do for work then, matress testing? Well, I’m really efficient and good at what I do, so out of the 8 hours, I spend 5-6 of them browsing reddit/x/imgur/email/TMZ/Eve Forums all day. My meme libraries are **glorious**. ---
**Author:** ![Tiffany\_Tatum](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiffany_tatum/32/444722_2.png) [@Tiffany\_Tatum](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiffany_Tatum)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/346 "2024-12-20T19:04:58Z")
Is the game really dying or is it a meme? I mean, there are thousands of players online and CCP seems to be a big company. How many games do they have? There is also Vanguard that I see on the launcher although I don’t know the details about it. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/347 "2024-12-20T21:30:38Z")
EVE is dying an honorable death. EVE tried the consoles and got burned, because the console environment is ultra toxic. We got planet bombardment for a time, got excited, then it was gone… luckily for us the two stayed separated otherwise Eve could have died for real… X Sony america and all those bubble bubble bursters are the worst. I feel EVE needs more skills, but also a story mode, something like Massive effect… An Eve spin off, without planet bombardment interaction… but something everybody can enjoy for free as an Alpha, and then Omega gets all kinds of missions Alpha dont get… Others don’t get this honor, and their deaths are absolutely dreadful. More accounts restrictions, more GPU restrictions, Ray tracing… DLSS… Games like movies, 99% FPS… It’s a miracle Eve has not wasted everything with a 1st person shooter… and gamers are tired… young guys probably wants more direct competition and Eve can not provide all of that excitement… multiple factors, one answer is too simple, perception changes with age, environment change, and when greedy publishers decides to push the suicide button… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580.md?page=16) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580.md?page=18)