# What is Causing EVE to Die? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 29, 2024, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580 "2024-11-29T07:27:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/720 "2025-01-11T16:46:46Z")
Like solo mining mission agents? ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/721 "2025-01-11T20:20:35Z")
**“What is Causing Eve to Die?”** …endless threads asking what is causing Eve to die. That is what is causing Eve to die. The endless drip, drip, drip of poisoning the well. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/722 "2025-01-11T20:49:27Z")
No, I am the reason the rum is gone, not the reason Eve is dying. m ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/723 "2025-01-11T20:55:00Z")
Roses are red Rum is Good Poems are hard Rum is Good – Mike Azariah – ---
**Author:** ![Sun-Jung](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sun-jung/32/447209_2.png) [@Sun-Jung](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sun-Jung)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/724 "2025-01-11T21:24:17Z")
Я согласна что это всё из за гангеров, они уже и в хай-сек спокойно убивают. ---
**Author:** ![Ronnie\_Rose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ronnie_rose/32/446230_2.png) [@Ronnie\_Rose](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ronnie_Rose)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/725 "2025-01-11T22:10:14Z")
Warp bubble immunity for Interceptors, but they nerfed that 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Ronnie\_Rose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ronnie_rose/32/446230_2.png) [@Ronnie\_Rose](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ronnie_Rose)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/726 "2025-01-11T22:15:19Z")
“I agree that this is all because of the gankers, they are already killing easily even in high-sec.” That’s what he wrote. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/727 "2025-01-11T22:17:50Z")
> [@Ronnie\_Rose](#): > > they nerfed that They gave shuttles bubble immunity ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 12:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/728 "2025-01-12T00:18:49Z")
> [@Aallin\_Gicquet](#): > > I think that really does sum up this entire thread. It sums up most threads. To the point where with almost every thread I now ask…is this really a _game_ issue, or a _player_ issue. ---
**Author:** ![Argel\_OTF2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/argel_otf2/32/388676_2.png) [@Argel\_OTF2](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Argel_OTF2)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 12:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/729 "2025-01-12T00:51:41Z")
Do you think the game is thriving? The childish insults (I acknowledged it was fair that I lost my stuff, I have suggested a way it could be improved = butthurt) are so odd when I am not saying what you think - or perhaps what you’d rather I was saying. All of this ‘it works for me therefore it should stay the same forever’ is so bizarre. I mean a genuine post saying ‘I got through it, therefore the problem is the hundreds of thousands of people who were interested but didn’t’ is hilarious. I run a business with milllions of users. You know how we learn? We listen equally to the people who stay and the people who go, and we find a nice balance that addresses the reasons people leave, without impacting our core users too much. I asked this in the other thread, but what is it that CCP have done that makes people think they ‘cater to carebears’? No meaningful changes have been made to the agency of newer or more passive players in 20+ years, yet you guys are still insistent that somehow everything is going in the wrong direction. Literally living in a fantasy world, and making up strawmen to try and dismiss opinions that are inconvenient. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 12:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/730 "2025-01-12T00:51:42Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > (which was paid by selling loot stolen in Jita and elsewhere 😏). I respected you, now I like you! 🤣 😉 > [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > No, I am the reason the rum is gone [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/b/7/2b77927e87674b58e262322b2736278ad4365bf7.jpeg "Why is the Rum Gone") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_AJ__5Jj_A) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/d/0/3d0089b922b13b948a58cf746103b205d830d92c.jpeg "Why is the Rum Gone? - Remix") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JImcvtJzIK8) Rum drove the game. 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/731 "2025-01-12T01:35:40Z")
> [@Argel\_OTF2](#): > > All of this ‘it works for me therefore it should stay the same forever’ is so bizarre. Nobody’s actually saying that. I could list 100 things in Eve that _don’t_ ‘work for me’ as I’d like. But none of them would involve fundamental changes to the entire way Eve works. All too often the response to any issue in Eve is to ask to simply ban or remove the alleged offending item or playstyle. The problem with these approaches is that they’re asking to remove a fundamental part of what makes Eve what it is. > [@Argel\_OTF2](#): > > No meaningful changes have been made to the agency of newer or more passive players in 20+ years But you are asking for Eve to effectively not be Eve any more…in order to ‘fix’ that perceived issue. There are almost certainly far better steps ( I suggested a ‘play pen’ area for noobs ) that don’t involve fundamentally altering the way the game works. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/732 "2025-01-12T02:12:01Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > ( I suggested a ‘play pen’ area for noobs ) Again, I don’t disapprove of the idea, just don’t let it have any in game impact on the markets. You would basically have to have a different server? ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/733 "2025-01-12T02:17:00Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Again, I don’t disapprove of the idea, just don’t let it have any in game impact on the markets. You would basically have to have a different server? Technically not. The idea’s been suggested before… pretty sure @Aisha_Katalen and I had some posts along this line a few years ago. Basically you’d need players to start in a self-contained area like Pochven, and then jump/filament out of it when they’re ready, with no way back in. Then it would have no economic impact on the rest of EVE but would let them train whatever for however long they chose. Although it was tossed out as an idea, it’s not a very good one since it would likely be pretty boring in there. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 2:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/734 "2025-01-12T02:23:37Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > with no way back in. This part I like. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Although it was tossed out as an idea, it’s not a very good one since it would likely be pretty boring in there. While boring for players, it should be implemented simply because I had to suffer through boring learning skills. 🤣 JK. Still a good place to learn. Shame they took Sisi away. Thats where I tested my fits and some gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 6:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/735 "2025-01-12T06:18:07Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Again, I don’t disapprove of the idea, just don’t let it have any in game impact on the markets. You would basically have to have a different server? It would be a small region, maybe half a dozen systems that simulate highsec, lowsec, and null, for which nothing inside it ( ISK, ships, etc ) could be taken out. Essentially an extended NPE where the player gets to try things out, without some pre-set schedule that the actual NPE has…but perhaps with certain ‘general’ lessons. One could even have ships up to a certain level made available for free ( but never taken outside the system ) and have NPCs that would simulate ganking, gate camping, etc, etc. The noob would be allowed some period…maybe 60 days or 90 days, in which they can stay in the area but can leave whenever they like but cannot return again after that. Really, it would be quite similar to the extended ‘boot camp’ training areas that many games have before you start the ‘main’ game. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/736 "2025-01-12T06:53:51Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Shame they took Sisi away. So true, we use to mine on SiSi in total peace We had only been ganked one time on SiSi Please bring it back. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/737 "2025-01-12T07:46:39Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > We had only been ganked one time on SiSi By your alt? 🤔 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/738 "2025-01-12T08:51:56Z")
Stop being jealous Uriel Princess sold that exclusive video of CSMMike to me to watch and enjoy… okay! ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/739 "2025-01-12T09:01:47Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > sold that exclusive video Considering she doesn’t talk to you on the forums and probably have you blocked again… ![images](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/b/9/db9f0199ba111fe878186944b786da6b10cffd57.jpeg) You sending her ISK doesn’t equate to she selling you anything. 😉 🍿 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580.md?page=28) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580.md?page=30)