# What is Causing EVE to Die? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 29, 2024, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580 "2024-11-29T07:27:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/374866_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/44 "2024-11-30T15:59:46Z")
EVE is dying because of specialization and incompetence. It’s the only viable game of a company who couldn’t develop a plan to exit a chalk circle on the ground and which has survived by appealing to a continuously diminishing pool of loyal customers. Now everybody is old, there are better games out there and the fact that nobody has bothered itself with competing with EVE proves that it’s a dead end as gaming goes. (And then it got bought by an even more incompetent company which just happened to have more money and customers). EVE Online is the best EVE Online game in the world. And nobody cares. ---
**Author:** ![Xalon\_Hawk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xalon_hawk/32/442735_2.png) [@Xalon\_Hawk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xalon_Hawk)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/45 "2024-11-30T21:09:43Z")
Seems to be growing. Though the forums have some issues with a few players that spend all day and night on here acting like they know everything and harass others constantly. Wondering why that is? Maybe they work for CCP or something. But everyone else seems awesome and with new promotions by CCP I think things are going to grow and get better and better! Eve 4 Eva! woot woot ---
**Author:** ![Kaely\_Tanniss](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaely_tanniss/32/474209_2.png) [@Kaely\_Tanniss](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaely_Tanniss)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/46 "2024-12-01T00:32:53Z")
Eve has supposedly been dying since 2003. What will actually kill Eve in the end? Those who choose to play a game in which they have little to no understanding and then complain about it as if those who create the sandbox content are the problem. Eve is vicious. Eve is the dark alley in the worst part of town. If you choose to walk down that alley, be prepared for what may come to you. You don’t jump into the ring and expect not to get punched. Eve is not WOW, it is not like any other MMO or game and that is why it’s still around after 20 years. Also…CCP’s constant money grabs, in the end, will put the nails in the coffin. Used to be cheaper to sub when the game was newer. I get the bills have to be paid…so remove Alphas. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 4:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/47 "2024-12-01T04:25:35Z")
You can only lose your virginity once… ---
**Author:** ![Rontbommer\_Kanenald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rontbommer_kanenald/32/384879_2.png) [@Rontbommer\_Kanenald](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rontbommer_Kanenald)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/48 "2024-12-01T10:42:29Z")
Another dumb Eve is dead/dying/blah blah post like this could be a cause as well 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/49 "2024-12-01T12:28:49Z")
> [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](#): > > What you’re essentially saying is that New Eden is filled with Humans. One day AI will create their own pilots. ---
**Author:** ![Innocent\_Mind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/innocent_mind/32/480932_2.png) [@Innocent\_Mind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Innocent_Mind)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/50 "2024-12-01T12:54:57Z")
Fatalistic think pieces are killing Eve. ---
**Author:** ![YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yhwh_is_lord/32/444382_2.png) [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/YHWH_Is_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/51 "2024-12-01T13:12:03Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > One day AI will create their own pilots. Yeah, and they will be as dumb as a post 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Aallin\_Gicquet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aallin_gicquet/32/510703_2.png) [@Aallin\_Gicquet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aallin_Gicquet)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/52 "2024-12-01T14:00:58Z")
But will they make posts that Eve is dying? LOL ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/53 "2024-12-01T14:08:18Z")
> [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](#): > > > [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > > > One day AI will create their own pilots. > > Yeah, and they will be as dumb as a post 🤣 That will certainly allow them to blend in with the human players. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yhwh_is_lord/32/444382_2.png) [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/YHWH_Is_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/54 "2024-12-01T17:14:39Z")
> [@Aallin\_Gicquet](#): > > But will they make posts that Eve is dying? LOL LOL, that’s inevitable. > [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > That will certainly allow them to blend in with the human players 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/55 "2024-12-01T17:59:30Z")
Will AI be able to feel pain or experience some equivalent of when reading `wordsalad`s? 🤔 😊 ---
**Author:** ![YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yhwh_is_lord/32/444382_2.png) [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/YHWH_Is_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/56 "2024-12-01T18:12:36Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > Will AI be able to feel pain ![1000003397](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/0/9/60984ab10fe9cf5b5d9da216019992ac084ae5fc.gif) > [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > or experience some equivalent of when reading `wordsalad`s? ![1000003396](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/9/f/19fec3f014538d014cc5cafb0136557eb8df53b2.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/57 "2024-12-01T18:19:20Z")
> [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](#): > > ![1000003397](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/0/9/60984ab10fe9cf5b5d9da216019992ac084ae5fc.gif) I think a `wordsalad` should have more severe effects than that, maybe a corruption of the artificial brain, something similar to a computer virus, or something along those lines. 🤔 😉 ---
**Author:** ![YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yhwh_is_lord/32/444382_2.png) [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/YHWH_Is_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/58 "2024-12-01T18:24:26Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > I think a `wordsalad` should have more severe effects than that The wordsalad is leathal to an A.I ![1000003399](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/a/6/9a6d2bbdbcbbed2bfe574bc57b06bf247c677003.gif) ---
**Author:** ![LeGunz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/legunz/32/440115_2.png) [@LeGunz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LeGunz)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/59 "2024-12-01T19:32:06Z")
Honestly, I think it’s the new generation of gamers. They’re accustomed to instant gratification and minimal penalties for death/failure. Is there data to the average age of eve players? ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/60 "2024-12-01T20:11:49Z")
There is already the reference waiting for this new A.-I. Type of pilot. **Bot-Aspirant** ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2024, 4:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/61 "2024-12-02T04:41:27Z")
> [@Rontbommer\_Kanenald](#): > > Another dumb Eve is dead/dying/blah blah post like this could be a cause as well Indeed. The ‘Eve is dead’ posts are basically doing what is called ‘poisoning the well’…and are ironically themselves a cause of the very issue they moan about. ---
**Author:** ![Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/princess_rose_ivory/32/433985_2.png) [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Princess_Rose_Ivory)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2024, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/62 "2024-12-02T11:36:33Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > > [@Rontbommer\_Kanenald](#): > > > > Another dumb Eve is dead/dying/blah blah post like this could be a cause as well > > Indeed. The ‘Eve is dead’ posts are basically doing what is called ‘poisoning the well’…and are ironically themselves a cause of the very issue they moan about. What I find strange about these threads is the need for so many players to rush to defend and generate more drama about it. All online games population decline over time, but it is not officially “dead” until the day you attempt to login and it is no longer there. City of Heroes was a great MMO. The publisher was horrible, they sold players a DLC package just one month before announcing their closing. I keep seeing people trying to convince others CoH is still active, but all it does is point you to one of many pirate servers running it. Population decline yes, dying no. Have fun! ---
**Author:** ![YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yhwh_is_lord/32/444382_2.png) [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/YHWH_Is_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2024, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/63 "2024-12-02T11:48:24Z")
> [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > What I find strange about these threads is the need for so many players to rush to defend and generate more drama about it They’re called **fanboiiis** , every game’s got 'em and they’re so fun to tease. It’s true that it ain’t over until the fat lady sings ![1000003408](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/3/1/43146f17de43fb62ca20ef4b9661233c4711e66b.jpeg) but CCP isn’t doing anything to retain their players, much less attract new players, so through all the nerfing, scarcity and rotten mechanics it isn’t surprising that the ‘EVE is dead’ meme has had a long life in the history of the game. Player numbers are low and confidence in CCP is slipping to all-time low as well. I really hope that the game has another 20 years ahead of it but the present reality doesn’t support that wish, not by a long shot. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580.md?page=4)