# What is Causing EVE to Die? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 29, 2024, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580 "2024-11-29T07:27:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/740 "2025-01-12T09:11:37Z")
Trust TRUST is what is causing Eveonline to Die ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/741 "2025-01-12T09:13:47Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > TRUST is what is causing Eveonline to Die Did you accept a scam contract? 🤔 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/742 "2025-01-12T09:27:42Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > Did you accept a scam contract? **No** But Our Princess had once accented to deliver our hard mined ice! 🧊 ![IMG_7462](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/1/d/b1dca8a231dc7ecf534915291ded3be4b2a7cc04.jpeg) 216000m3 of compressed white glaze … //we believe Princess Aiko owes us 108 million isk ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/743 "2025-01-12T15:40:17Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > It would be a small region You being too soft. Send them to the test server for say a month where they have **nothing to lose** , lets call it nooby boot camp. Gank the crap out of them for that month. They will then be ready to join the live server. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/6/1/e616e47549f02598c8719e008166d24e1f70b80e.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/744 "2025-01-12T18:09:05Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > Princess Aiko owes us 108 million isk Two can play at that game sweetie. The Frostpackers owed 84 billion since 1st december for crimes such as misogyny, which has accrued interest of **140 billion** in the last month at an interest rate of 2000% per annum, giving a grand total of **224 billion**. Unless paid in full by 1st Febuary, the Frostpackers will owe **597 billion ISK**. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/745 "2025-01-12T18:15:16Z")
According to his self-admission he can easily afford it even if it is one trillion or several: > [@What the Hek!](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hek/473618/7): > > You should know that my wallet is bottomless. `You should know that my wallet is bottomless` (just in case he edits that post 😉 ) 🍿 😊 🍿 ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/746 "2025-01-12T18:19:25Z")
That’s alot of gucci handbags (@Spring_Sky , @Conference_Elitest ) ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/747 "2025-01-12T20:37:12Z")
If that were true, he would send a billion isk to me, for absolutely nothing in return, thereby proving that his wallet is truly bottomless. I will check later to see if he proved his wealth. If he does, that will change everything. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/748 "2025-01-12T21:03:03Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I will check later to see if he proved his wealth. Let us know how it went. I’m sure it is also important regarding his public credibility on the forums as well. 😉 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Angewoman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/angewoman/32/425566_2.png) [@Angewoman](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Angewoman)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/749 "2025-01-12T21:16:12Z")
To answer the OP. Frostpacker ---
**Author:** ![Bladewise](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bladewise/32/394387_2.png) [@Bladewise](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bladewise)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2025, 2:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/750 "2025-01-13T02:35:00Z")
It’s very obviously the constant nerfs to PvP content over the years. Population has been declining ever since it started and will continue until many of these barriers are removed (which is unlikely). The new player experience used to be amazing because you could actually catch up with older players through nefarious means. Now the rich only get richer and the poor only get poorer. The people who provide no real depth or content to the game and just wanna PvE by themselves are the only ones who stick around and that isn’t sustainable for a player driven economy nor does it create a fun/immersive gaming environment. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2025, 3:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/751 "2025-01-13T03:03:48Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Febuary, the Frostpackers will owe **597 billion ISK** Don’t make me pull out that card? @Uriel_the_Flame why had you not protected us from this sort of situation?. Besides she never responded with _I do!_ ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2025, 3:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/752 "2025-01-13T03:10:19Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > So true, we use to mine on SiSi in total peace I have to ask, why bother when it means nothing? You could play candy crush for the same accomplishment? > [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > TRUST It’s your own fault then. Play a different game. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2025, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/753 "2025-01-13T03:13:37Z")
There are many mining type games to play on Steam that are solo play without cheat codes. SiSi once gave that experience of just mining because it is fun to sit with the barge out on a belt. Isk has zero value compared with feeling of accomplishment that can be found with mining in New Eden ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2025, 3:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/754 "2025-01-13T03:20:24Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > Isk has zero value compared with feeling of accomplishment that can be found with mining in New Eden Ok, if you find it a peaceful pastime, then go for broke! But don’t expect it to cross over to the actual game. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2025, 3:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/755 "2025-01-13T03:24:24Z")
![IMG_7481](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/5/6/156aa0e70223a40898a5c349e0a99e6db52f0ac8.jpeg) Mining for the NPC is fun also ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2025, 3:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/756 "2025-01-13T03:29:07Z")
Mining is slow returns for great risk. Become a hunter instead of the hunted. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2025, 5:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/757 "2025-01-13T05:05:09Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > If that were true, he would send a billion isk to me, for absolutely nothing in return, thereby proving that his wallet is truly bottomless. I will check later to see if he proved his wealth. If he does, that will change everything. You can go get stuffed gwanker witch, noway would frosty send you another payment so don’t even bother checking your wallet as it’s not going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2025, 5:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/758 "2025-01-13T05:37:36Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > You can go get stuffed gwanker witch, noway would frosty send you another payment so don’t even bother checking your wallet as it’s not going to happen. 🤭 😊 🍿 ---
**Author:** ![Lara\_Agnon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lara_agnon/32/377122_2.png) [@Lara\_Agnon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lara_Agnon)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2025, 7:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/759 "2025-01-13T07:16:36Z")
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