# What is Causing EVE to Die? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 29, 2024, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580 "2024-11-29T07:27:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2025, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/840 "2025-01-16T18:52:56Z")
I dislike the war dec system. I’ve never told gankers to leave me alone. I don’t get why you’re confused by this. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2025, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/841 "2025-01-16T18:53:11Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > …carebears afraid of low/null. Yeah, like Mr Epeen has loads of epic kills in lowsec and null 🙂 Oh…wait…he has zero kb at all. You and Kezrai have one Velator loss betwen you in over 20 years of playing, as you lecture everyone else on PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Garet\_Jackyard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garet_jackyard/32/417679_2.png) [@Garet\_Jackyard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garet_Jackyard)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/842 "2025-01-16T19:04:24Z")
EVE is not dying; EVE has evolved from an excellent game for everyone, with a great community, to a niche game, stagnant and with a damn toxic forum. I just read the reviews on Steam. There are great ads on the net, but the number of players has not increased for a decade, and the game itself is drifting towards FPS. There is a complete lack of ideas for development. This is what happens when you make money by force. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2025, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/843 "2025-01-16T19:36:40Z")
You should just copy that into notepad. It’s every reply to anything I say. Might as well save some time by pasting it instead of spending five minutes two-finger typing every time. Don’t forget to screenshot them. It will come in handy when you try to become an ISD or gain employment as a GM. Just show them the screenies and they’ll move you right to the front of the line. Copy/paste is a key skill for these guys. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Argel\_OTF2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/argel_otf2/32/388676_2.png) [@Argel\_OTF2](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Argel_OTF2)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2025, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/844 "2025-01-16T19:45:28Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > So you don’t think people constantly whining ‘Eve is dying’ on the forums has ANY effect on the potential noobs you pretend to care oh so much about ? > > You don’t think ANY people EVER read those posts and think ’ Heck…why would I want to join a dying game ?’ > > All your hypocritical stance against ganking…and there’s you lot busy ganking people’s expectations before they ever get the chance to log in for the first time. > > Utter hypocrites…the lot of you. This is genuinely hilarious. An absolute headsgone moment. > [@Even with a massive alliance move we hit really low player count numbers](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/even-with-a-massive-alliance-move-we-hit-really-low-player-count-numbers/467717/217): > > Your source of information for this is ? > > See, this is precisely my point. People throw about ‘most players’ like confetti…based on assumptions and not actual data. > [@Even with a massive alliance move we hit really low player count numbers](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/even-with-a-massive-alliance-move-we-hit-really-low-player-count-numbers/467717/222): > > I don’t have any evidence either way…which is precisely why I wouldn’t say what ‘most players’ do. > > The _whole point_ about personal experience is not that it is generic for everyone…quite the reverse. It is that it provides precisely the ability to refute ‘most players’ type arguments or ’ XYZ is making noobs leave’ type arguments. > > Thus when people say ‘ganking makes people leave’…I can at least say, well it didn’t make _me_ leave, and that at least counts as a data point against the argument. So its not a case of arguing that one’s experience is global…rather it is the ability to argue _against_ global arguments. A nice reminder why you calling anyone a hypocrite here is the single least self-aware thing I’ve ever read. You live by the ‘where’s your evidence?’, you… In the end, hopefully this is a lesson for you. Maybe try listening to the people here sharing experiences, and stop hounding them with increasingly high bars to meet before their opinions are valid. Everyone here has an opinion, there is absolutely zero reason for you to gatekeep it, particularly when you apply absolutely zero standards to what you write. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2025, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/845 "2025-01-16T19:58:36Z")
> [@Argel\_OTF2](#): > > In the end, hopefully this is a lesson for you. Yes…its a lesson in just how many logical fallacies you managed to cram into one post…lol. ---
**Author:** ![Distaine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/distaine/32/502653_2.png) [@Distaine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Distaine)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2025, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/846 "2025-01-16T19:58:41Z")
The changes CCP made with no concern for our play-styles, sacrificing everything for one goal of blowing up and shoring up power to self-interested nullblocks under the guise of new players… is what drove away almost everyone I have known. Most of them are still consistent long term gaymers who simply hate CCP with a passion. And yes, if they dont fix the obvious issues, which THEY CAUSED… I dont take this game seriously either. What is causing eve to die or be in the terrible state its in? CCP and their inability to understand or listen to experts in their fields when they make changes. Its not damned if you do, damned if you dont… Its CCP making the wrong choices for the wrong reasons and then not even blinking when it backfires. Learn to listen to leaders in their chosen play-styles CCPlease. Yall are lucky i still bother to log in here and speak but people are too arrogant and ignorant to get that. Leave things up to fools and we just become an online chatroom for carebears. PvP and fair competition is what could make eve a good game again. But all you guys want to do is protect your own useless junk while killing off PvP and eliminating competition by begging CCP to wreck the game even more. ---
**Author:** ![Argel\_OTF2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/argel_otf2/32/388676_2.png) [@Argel\_OTF2](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Argel_OTF2)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2025, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/847 "2025-01-16T20:00:37Z")
As always, it’s wise to remember everyone can see you desperately trying to avoid the point. Like I said, if you can’t even be arsed to remember the arbitrary rules you’ve set for other people to hold an opinion, I think we can firmly dismiss yours. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2025, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/848 "2025-01-16T20:04:14Z")
> [@Argel\_OTF2](#): > > everyone can see you desperately trying to avoid the point There was a point ? That’s odd. I thought the sole function of your posts was to introduce as many complete non sequiturs, comparisons of chalk with cheese, tu qoque, red herring, and other fallacies as you could manage. And you succeeded ! ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2025, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/849 "2025-01-16T21:20:56Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > but have zero proof to support your own side I never said I had “proof.” I said, based on my “experience”, and then wondered if there were others like me. And then put out there that it would be interesting if there was a study and sad that no one considered looking into it. Why are you so salty when someone challenges you? It’s clear you’re not open to an honest discussion. You just want people to agree with you. And to think, you accused Gloria of being “close minded.” It also didn’t go unnoticed that there is a complete lack of citations and evidence “supporting” your claim. Please link a bibliography. And inb4 “i’m not wasting my time, you can google it yourself.” Also, please provide the links to those studies, within 24 hours. Failure to do so, will only confirm that you too, just make stuff up and pretend that it’s factual. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Aallin\_Gicquet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aallin_gicquet/32/510703_2.png) [@Aallin\_Gicquet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aallin_Gicquet)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2025, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/850 "2025-01-16T22:45:58Z")
> [@Spring\_Sky](#): > > I’ll be honest if I didn’t have to watch my back or cut deals or play areas of grey then what’s the point? That’s what makes me come back, the danger of losing months of years of work on a bad gamble is real. It makes me nervous, no other game comes even close to making feel anxious when I blow through Uedema with a load of compressed dark glitter. ^ This, a thousand times this. Undocking whether ratting, exploring, or mining. Never knowing if I am coming back in a ship or in a pod. No other game has ever come close to this virtual thrill. ■■■■, Not knowing if what I just bought and am on the way to pick up. Is really just a trap. Adds a lot of suspense to the flight out to the station. If eve is indeed dying. It sure seems rather lively to me. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2025, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/851 "2025-01-16T23:23:58Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > got it Clever boy ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2025, 11:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/852 "2025-01-16T23:27:12Z")
> [@Aallin\_Gicquet](#): > > If eve is indeed dying Allegedly it has been dying since carebears first took to the skies. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2025, 11:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/853 "2025-01-16T23:39:34Z")
Is EvE dying? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2025, 1:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/854 "2025-01-17T01:26:53Z")
Didn’t you hear? You and your ilk are apparently the incurable virus that infected this ~~amazing~~ dying game and will cause it to hemorrhage out and die completely? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2025, 1:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/855 "2025-01-17T01:29:40Z")
Is this the end? 🪦 ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2025, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/856 "2025-01-17T01:48:12Z")
No. It is not dying at all. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2025, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/857 "2025-01-17T02:12:31Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Indeed, bring back the old war dec system. Don’t tease me. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > It’s fairly well known that less than 5% of a playerbase reads the forums. I would be surprized if it was that high. > [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Everyone knows that reviews have an effect. And those sort of posts _are_ basically a review. A negative one. Noobs don’t read reviews either. All they see is… [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/6/5/565c24d2327da38c968601a83e39ef4158552101.jpeg "EVE Online - Enforcers Face the Danger") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvFDMqPsTkI) All they see is I can do anything I want. False advertising? ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2025, 4:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/858 "2025-01-17T04:10:11Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > All they see is I can do anything I want. False advertising? I do do whatever I want. It’s not false advertising… All you need to do is understand that everyone else will be doing what they want and then you need to be prepared when those actions occasionally clash. ![armada](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/3/0/23014fc024ec80d3bede379fdf4295bb05747280.jpeg) ![2025.01.11.03.38.01](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/4/a/84ae5b3121806c05c25a13478afebc0a04e58789.jpeg) ![2025.01.07.23.19.03](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/7/c/87c276a41cd8e38b7c32f85bf9224cdd32a9add2.jpeg) ![2024.12.31.00.32.26](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/f/4/5f4494b5dca2c1e0b65d4d557bc0a2ec4d2da936.jpeg) I do two things in New Eden. 1. What I want to do 2. Work around situations where what I want clashes with what someone else wants. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2025, 4:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/859 "2025-01-17T04:12:24Z")
This is a very interesting / Somewhat interesting how I had forgotten what was happening! //I remember now. > [@Glenduil](#): > > I do two things in New Eden. > > 1. What I want to do > 2. Work around situations where what I want clashes with what someone else wants. Yes very interesting!😁 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580.md?page=34) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580.md?page=36)