# What is Causing EVE to Die? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 29, 2024, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580 "2024-11-29T07:27:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/1117 "2025-01-23T15:42:15Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > News flash for ya: industrialists drive prices _down_. More products = more competition = price wars. It’s gankers and AFK ISK farmers (like **you** with your Null drone boats) who drive prices and inflation up. That’s about as delusional a take on EVE economics as it gets. Sure, more stuff drives prices down. But that in turn means Joe Miner gets less for his ore. The more those industrialists are turning out cheap ‘competitive’ stuff…the less Joe Miner gets. There’s countless real world examples of cheap products actually leading to the demise of both small and large industries as industrialists simply look for new ‘miners’ who are prepared to work for even more of a pittance. And yes, gankers drive prices up. And that is a GOOD thing for Joe Miner. Not only does the risk mean there are fewer miners to compete with but the destruction means there is less stuff hanging about to lower prices and thus Joe Miner gets more for his ore ! ---
**Author:** ![wolfstallion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wolfstallion/32/418559_2.png) [@wolfstallion](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/wolfstallion)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/1118 "2025-01-23T18:18:15Z")
Time makes stuff go stale it won’t die soon but it’s like very other game can’t be relevant forever ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 2:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/1119 "2025-01-24T02:36:41Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Zaera does not need AI as her IQ is **131** The tests say I’m smarter than you. Never admit that again! 🤣 (And that is NOT my point 😍 ) Why don’t I seem to be able to apply that to RL? Anyway… What is causing EVE to die? [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/1/1/2112fdeb510b73cb155ed86afe0cf6905816a1d0.jpeg "Pink Floyd – Time (Official Audio)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr0-7Ds79zo) EVE was a great game for my, or close to my age group. Times change and I can’t find another game that even comes close. “But I just want to chill.” is not what the game was designed for. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/1120 "2025-01-24T10:51:06Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > What is causing EVE to die? Muppets ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/1121 "2025-01-24T11:18:23Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > I call it fighting for the little guy. If you really mean what you typed then We could sure use your help on capturing a corpse of Uriel the flame ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/1122 "2025-01-24T11:38:47Z")
The best way to take down Uriel is an **Aiko Nut Punch** ---
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/1123 "2025-01-24T11:59:20Z")
> [@Bladewise](#): > > Investment company buys the game then they change all the rules to pander to PvE players so they can milk them for easy money. Really? Did the changes to war declarations happen before or after PA bought CCP? ---
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/1124 "2025-01-24T12:06:17Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Which is precisely what you did, as at no time did you _ever_ respond to the fact that most of those ‘58,000 kills’ for Wrecking Machine or the ‘738,000 unhappy targets’ in general were NOT in highsec or even gank or bashing fleets. So why the hard on for more destruction in high security space when its outside the area of operation? > [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Neither did you _ever_ respond to the fact that most of the ‘385 members’ don’t actually take part in such activity but are simply in corps _associated_ with the alliance. When in an alliance, the alliance declares war, not a single corporation. Its not like FW where participation can be decided more granularly. Still, there are probably groups who would go for being able to declare war on a single corporation within an alliance and engage piecemeal. > [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Without risk in highsec there’d be massive fleets of totally AFK miners and haulers ( not that it isn’t already headed that way ) sucking up everything and not only leaving nothing for Joe Miner but drastically reducing ore prices to the point where it would be even less worth Joe Miner even undocking. Please. The industrialists of EVE 1 isked prices into the ground because a ton of them just want to do an activity and have real life money to subsidize it all. There are so many unprofitable items on the market cause back in the day Joe Miner made 1000 medium jump drives/large ancilarry shield boosters and CCP never adjusted the BPC drop rate to make them worth anything. > [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > All the more so as less risk also means less destruction and thus less demand in the first place. Its a vicious downward spiral. When CCP made caps cost almost triple, if not quadruple as much and people stopped wanting to use them, which risk exactly was reduced that caused the lesser demand? > [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Those who want to drastically reduce or eliminate PvP from highsec are NOT helping their claimed constituency. They are doing the complete reverse. And most of their constituency are too dumb to grasp that. Warfare in high security space matters naught, worst case is a few citadels are lost. There is no way to evict people like in a wormhole and until Null, there is no flag to tear down and replace. No, this whine is %100 about manipulation of the envrionment to keep the fish in the barrell. > [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Or do you really suppose that not one of those stations is ever involved in AFK sucking up of moons, AFK fleets of miners, etc. Exactly how many High security Stations have been destroyed, and why did CCP not hand out medals for this achievement? > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Actually it would be about 7 or 8 points. And then I’d post the 6 or 7 _buffs_ it received and it’d break even. So let’s add ‘uninformed’ to the delusional stuff. 6 or 7? The sov 2.0 changes gave some hugh stealth buffs, fever anoms meaning less places for hunters to look, not to mention escalations that force use of maruders/captials to complete that can be caught in siege. > [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Sure, more stuff drives prices down. But that in turn means Joe Miner gets less for his ore. Only if they sell it for less, nobody makes them list it on the market for less ISK than the effort to get it. > [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > And yes, gankers drive prices up. And that is a GOOD thing for Joe Miner. Really? Do they put buy orders up in Amarr or Jita? ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/1125 "2025-01-24T14:57:15Z")
> [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > When in an alliance, the alliance declares war, not a single corporation. Its not like FW where participation can be decided more granularly. Lol…well that’s where I pointed out to anti-wardec Glenduil that he’s actually **in** one of the most prolific wardec group of alliances in highsec. Ah, the irony. > [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > There are so many unprofitable items on the market That’s not really answering the point I raised. The glut of stuff on the market would only be made _worse_ if highsec was totally safe. > [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > When CCP made caps cost almost triple, if not quadruple as much and people stopped wanting to use them, which risk exactly was reduced that caused the lesser demand? Again you are evading the actual point. Less risk means less destruction. The entire market is founded upon destruction. Stuff being destroyed is what warrants making new stuff in the first place. > [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > Warfare in high security space matters naught, worst case is a few citadels are lost. Ah…people trying to have it both ways. If its just worse case ‘a few citadels’ then what’s all the fuss about over on the wardec thread ? > [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > Exactly how many High security Stations have been destroyed, and why did CCP not hand out medals for this achievement? Again evading the point you are allegedly responding to. I see a pattern here. > [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > Only if they sell it for less, nobody makes them list it on the market for less ISK than the effort to get it. A curious statement. How much ISK is it worth to get it ? I’ve stored ore waiting for the price to rise, or more specifically for actual demand. But if the demand falls because there’s already a gazillion tons of ore in the system because everyone is safer and more people are mining…isn’t it obvious what the effect on demand and prices will be ? > [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > Really? Do they put buy orders up in Amarr or Jita? Another somewhat evasive and curious comment. Scarcity is what drives prices up. If there are less miners because some got ganked, that is going to lead to less ore in the system. Plus the destruction is what drives the economy in the first place ! ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/1126 "2025-01-24T15:01:09Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Lol…well that’s where I pointed out to anti-wardec Glenduil that he’s actually **in** one of the most prolific wardec group of alliances in highsec. Ah, the irony. Yep. And I still think War Decs in High Sec are stupid. If you think you can come take away my right to have an opinion, go right ahead and try. Bring your best ship because none of my ships will fall to a Catalyst. Oh and I don’t fly Corvettes or Shuttles so you’ll actually have to step outside your comfort zone. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/1127 "2025-01-24T15:09:48Z")
You miss the point. Now you are in AO you are blue status to Gloria and to my Wrecking Machine alt and to several other alts, and I should be blue status to you as well. Welcome to the team ! ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/1128 "2025-01-24T15:34:30Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Now you are in AO Indeed he is, the carebear division of **Absolute Will** , as useful for PvP as the **Judea People’s Front Crack Suicide Squad** ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/4/b/34b906196d407dff3425b58e0ff8dc2842f4265a.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/1129 "2025-01-24T15:37:06Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > You miss the point. Now you are in AO you are blue status to Gloria and to my Wrecking Machine alt and to several other alts, and I should be blue status to you as well. Welcome to the team ! Are you 5 years old? I’m actually genuinely curious. You seem to be stuck on the fact that I’m in AO because you see it as something to use against me. It’s not so you should stop trying. It’s a tactic a 5 year old would use. I’m not going to apologize or act ashamed about my in-game choices. You’re missing that point entirely. I still think war decs in high sec are stupid. That won’t change unless they get a major overhaul. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/1130 "2025-01-24T15:40:08Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Are you 5 years old? I’m actually genuinely curious. Shh…don’t tell everyone or they’ll invite me to Iceland and have some ‘EVE’s youngest player’ award. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/1131 "2025-01-24T15:41:18Z")
We can’t have that , Zaera has won it for the last 300 years ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/1132 "2025-01-24T15:56:20Z")
I even have the emblems on my beautiful Skiff! ![1000002518](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/7/e/57e9a101285e91fca92f4e85bf349a632d699ada.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/1133 "2025-01-24T16:08:26Z")
Would look better in pink ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/c/d/7cddd67f22bd4f281f8e7f559048905817a92deb.jpeg) The **Pink Ribbon campaign** is the annual women´s **cancer awareness** and fundraising campaign of the **Icelandic Cancer Society**. The focus of the campaign last year being **breast cancer** education and prevention. All funds raised went to modernising and improving breast cancer screening equipment and software. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/1134 "2025-01-24T16:41:35Z")
I have to admit… that looks pretty epic! Not overdone… good shades… good secondary color… I give that a 10/10! ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 4:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/1135 "2025-01-27T04:36:29Z")
Seeing @Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras has been AFK since 9th January perhaps it means that I may return home? / Btw Chad is rather upset as someone had been calling him names and he really hates both cake and pie as Chad is the very sensitive type. And We know that you do not want FELIX ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 6:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/1137 "2025-01-27T06:04:41Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > The best way to take down Uriel is an **Aiko Nut Punch** Look We all know that CCP gives away a lot of plex for free The reason I picked Aiko to be special is not because she is a ganker skilled in witchcraft. It is because she has taken on the same role that James315 had. Everything that CCP gives to Frostpacker (thank you 07) We share some of that to our Princess of Highsec [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580.md?page=46) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580.md?page=48)