# What is Causing EVE to Die? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 29, 2024, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580 "2024-11-29T07:27:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 804
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2025, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580/804 "2025-01-16T13:30:17Z")
> [@Argel\_OTF2](#): > > Can you prove this? Where is your evidence that people read the forums and decide to quit? There’s no evidence, it’s called “repeating the same stupid thing over and over again” in the hopes that somebody will believe it. Also, Gloria never supports their statements, they just deny the reality of any data they disagree with. CCP and other devs have _literally proven_ that one huge factor that drives people out of MMOs featuring full PvP is being victimized by player-killers, PKers, griefers, whatever you want to call them. See this post: > [@Are Wardecs always going to be broken? Is a fix even possible?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/66): > > Before thinking about how much/what kind of a change to Wardecs might be needed, I checked some numbers to see how big of problem it might be. That gives an idea whether just some tweaks and adjustments are needed, or a drastic re-write. This will be long, with supporting facts, so here’s the TL;DR for you: TL;DR: Yes, EVE wardecs are deeply harmful to the game, benefit very few players to the detriment of very many, and contribute relatively little useful or interesting content to the game. Th… While not the _only_ factor in causing fewer players to remain in EVE, **wardecs and ganking** certainly result in thousands and more likely tens of thousands of players leaving EVE every year. Gloria does both. Hence why waving their arms so frantically saying “No no the problem is people who _talk about_ ganking, not the actual gankers!”. Gloria is one of a small percentage of EVE players who literally squat in high sec, the starter point of the game, p1ssing in the well… and then accuse anyone who points that out as “killing EVE”. Understand, I don’t advocate the complete removal of ganking or of wardecs. EVE is intended to be harsh. But there’s harsh and then there’s just plain stupid. So far CCP is being stupid, and EVE is paying the price. And as the post I linked shows, they even _know_ they’re paying the price and are asking players/the CSM for help in resolving it. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/469580)._