# What is effective against a Phantasm **URL:** \ **Category:** PvP Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [December 26, 2017, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-effective-against-a-phantasm/47559 "2017-12-26T14:24:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Oreb\_Wing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oreb_wing/32/170827_2.png) [@Oreb\_Wing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oreb_Wing)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-effective-against-a-phantasm/47559/21 "2018-03-01T05:49:18Z")
> [@Gleb\_Koskov](#): > > Don’t get why anyone would fly that ship. It has a mohawk of spikes! ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_ayeipsia/32/23528_2.png) [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Ayeipsia)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-effective-against-a-phantasm/47559/22 "2018-03-01T15:37:55Z")
> [@Gleb\_Koskov](#): > > Phantasm is good, but not as good as the gila, its pure masochism to even buy one when there are better alternatives. Just web it and dps it down, hell it can even be stopped from firing with energy neutralizers. Don’t get why anyone would fly that ship. Webbing it is not always effective. The problem is that the Phantasm line of ships have a strong bonus to afterburner. Per Caldari Cruiser level you get 20% boost to afterburner velocity. Use an oversized afterburner and you have a ship traveling at MWD speeds using only an afterburner. Yes webs slow it down, but not enough. Idealy you need a heavy grappled but getting a ship with that close enough to a Phantasm for long enough to lock and grapple it is not easy. Neuts are a good option, but you need almost surprise Neuts. A smart Phantasm pilot will pick their fight and not engage against a typical neut ship without support. Best counter… A fast kitey ship with a very long point and maybe missiles. Keep the Phantasm at range so you can’t be scrammed but you can keep him pointed. Then hope he can’t escape by sling shooting out if your point. ---
**Author:** ![Algarion\_Getz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algarion_getz/32/356396_2.png) [@Algarion\_Getz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algarion_Getz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-effective-against-a-phantasm/47559/23 "2018-03-01T17:17:23Z")
I think i know who you are talking about. I also had the “pleasure” of his company a few times. I thought about setting up a trap with a cloaked Rapier and Pilgrim, but im really bad at multitasking and me multiboxing in this PvP fight would probably result in juicy killmails for the Phantasm pilot. I wouldnt even try to engage him with 1 ship. A Phantasm is pretty much designed to be slippery. Its perfect for harassing PvEers in highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Soldier\_Forrester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/soldier_forrester/32/404576_2.png) [@Soldier\_Forrester](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Soldier_Forrester)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-effective-against-a-phantasm/47559/24 "2018-03-02T01:03:33Z")
Neuts and webs are Phantasm hardcounters, any good pilot will run far away from Rapiers/Curses and simmilar ewar ships. But yeah, don’t play with him in highsec unless you know exactly what you are doing. ---
**Author:** ![Immortal\_Overlord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/immortal_overlord/32/40263_2.png) [@Immortal\_Overlord](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Immortal_Overlord)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2018, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-effective-against-a-phantasm/47559/25 "2018-03-03T00:24:06Z")
Kill its speed with webs, duel webs and a scram. Kill its drones with a smart bomb & the rest is easy. ---
**Author:** ![Pur3Bl00D](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pur3bl00d/32/384679_2.png) [@Pur3Bl00D](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pur3Bl00D)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-effective-against-a-phantasm/47559/26 "2018-03-13T03:13:31Z")
EM\thermal resist myrmidon or dominix with neuts and dual webs should do the trick ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-effective-against-a-phantasm/47559/27 "2018-06-11T03:13:33Z")
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