# What is the counter to my tactic? **URL:** \ **Category:** Warfare & Tactics\ **Created:** [January 2, 2019, 4:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-counter-to-my-tactic/130874 "2019-01-02T04:17:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rando\_Rambo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rando_rambo/32/175970_2.png) [@Rando\_Rambo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rando_Rambo)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 4:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-counter-to-my-tactic/130874/1 "2019-01-02T04:17:36Z")
I am planning on hunting folks in null. I am going to dual box a Loki and Proteus, both covert ops and nullified (also with cap booster to counter neuts). Engagement range at 30 km. Warp disrupt (from my Proteus) and dual web (from my Loki). DPS is ~750 each, 1500 total. Probably hunting solo ratters. If things look hairy, or bad ships come on grid, I think I should be able to warp off due to my long engagement range. My question is, what is the counter to my proposed tactic? What would I need to look out for? ---
**Author:** ![Nep-Neps](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nep-neps/32/466874_2.png) [@Nep-Neps](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nep-Neps)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 4:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-counter-to-my-tactic/130874/2 "2019-01-02T04:58:32Z")
cloaky prot’s and loki’s waiting for you to decloak on a ratter ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-counter-to-my-tactic/130874/3 "2019-01-02T13:43:29Z")
Intel channels emptying systems before you enter them, cynos that land supers on your face. ---
**Author:** ![Rando\_Rambo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rando_rambo/32/175970_2.png) [@Rando\_Rambo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rando_Rambo)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-counter-to-my-tactic/130874/4 "2019-01-02T14:57:27Z")
Could I warp away from a super when I see the cyno lit? ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-counter-to-my-tactic/130874/5 "2019-01-02T15:01:11Z")
You have time to run. ---
**Author:** ![Rando\_Rambo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rando_rambo/32/175970_2.png) [@Rando\_Rambo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rando_Rambo)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-counter-to-my-tactic/130874/6 "2019-01-02T20:24:23Z")
Is this a common defense null corps use? ---
**Author:** ![CowRocket\_Void](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cowrocket_void/32/189525_2.png) [@CowRocket\_Void](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CowRocket_Void)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-counter-to-my-tactic/130874/7 "2019-01-02T21:47:42Z")
Come to Delve and find out 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lena\_Crews](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lena_crews/32/161576_2.png) [@Lena\_Crews](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lena_Crews)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-counter-to-my-tactic/130874/8 "2019-01-02T21:55:26Z")
I’d assume a fast tackle ship that can warp in and close distance quickly and live long enough to scram one of your ships so that heavy tackle and dps can warp right on top of you. Something like a Malediction for initial tackle followed by a heavy tackle Thorax or something of the like followed by DPS. Lot less isk risked… but more pilots needed. ---
**Author:** ![Nep-Neps](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nep-neps/32/466874_2.png) [@Nep-Neps](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nep-Neps)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-counter-to-my-tactic/130874/9 "2019-01-02T23:50:55Z")
it definitely happens once you camp for long enough ---
**Author:** ![Sepheir\_Sepheron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sepheir_sepheron/32/279597_2.png) [@Sepheir\_Sepheron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sepheir_Sepheron)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-counter-to-my-tactic/130874/10 "2019-01-03T00:01:38Z")
The nullified t3s have a very poor align time, nearly battleship poor. Be careful as a good tackle can uncloak and lock you at gate. ---
**Author:** ![Rando\_Rambo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rando_rambo/32/175970_2.png) [@Rando\_Rambo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rando_Rambo)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 12:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-counter-to-my-tactic/130874/11 "2019-01-03T00:10:52Z")
Geez, I hadn’t even looked at that. 11+s, that’s terrible. Thanks for the tip. ---
**Author:** ![Sepheir\_Sepheron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sepheir_sepheron/32/279597_2.png) [@Sepheir\_Sepheron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sepheir_Sepheron)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 2:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-counter-to-my-tactic/130874/12 "2019-01-03T02:07:51Z")
It should be less than 11s I think you might have your mwd on in pyfa/simulation. ---
**Author:** ![Rando\_Rambo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rando_rambo/32/175970_2.png) [@Rando\_Rambo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rando_Rambo)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 6:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-counter-to-my-tactic/130874/13 "2019-01-03T06:24:43Z")
Yep, that’s true, thanks again. I’m clearly in the theory-craft as opposed to implementation phase of my plan. ---
**Author:** ![Blade\_Darth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blade_darth/32/378598_2.png) [@Blade\_Darth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Blade_Darth)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2019, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-counter-to-my-tactic/130874/14 "2019-01-04T12:07:12Z")
Don’t need 2 cruisers to hunt ratters, most common ratting ship is a VNI, anyone flying bigger fish will be able to melt your t3 (carriers/ boxed blingy pirate bs/ marauders with cyno backup). Boxing makes it much harder too, need to manage tank, tackle, dps on all accounts at same time. Easy to burn out something, forget to shoot, coast out of range etc. Scout/ tackle + dps would be much better. Ceptor or fast aligning loki for tackle (+ship scanner). With this your dps ship doesn’t need to be nullified or even cloaky and you can go close range with blasters upon confirming it’s not bait. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 5:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-counter-to-my-tactic/130874/15 "2019-01-05T05:37:36Z")
You should try research the work of Stunt Flores. > **[Stunt Flores | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/92106351/)** > > Stunt Flores: 5,256 ships destroyed and 1,686 ships lost. He was mastering the art of ratters hunting. ---
**Author:** ![Rando\_Rambo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rando_rambo/32/175970_2.png) [@Rando\_Rambo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rando_Rambo)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-counter-to-my-tactic/130874/16 "2019-01-05T21:01:35Z")
He seemed to use a stratios to great effect, sometimes with the support of an astero. Thanks for the link. ---
**Author:** ![Blade\_Darth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blade_darth/32/378598_2.png) [@Blade\_Darth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Blade_Darth)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-counter-to-my-tactic/130874/17 "2019-01-06T00:57:54Z")
Astero is great, very fast and versatile. Could also think of using something like a “non-combat” scanning ship for scouting or initial tackle. t3c hunter will light up intel channels, ceptor is a typical scout/ tackle… A Buzzard would go mostly unnoticed. ---
**Author:** ![Rando\_Rambo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rando_rambo/32/175970_2.png) [@Rando\_Rambo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rando_Rambo)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-counter-to-my-tactic/130874/18 "2019-01-06T18:35:27Z")
My Loki alt is a good scanner/scout so I could easily do a buzzard/proteus team. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Harrowmont](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_harrowmont/32/153117_2.png) [@Lord\_Harrowmont](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Harrowmont)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 12:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-counter-to-my-tactic/130874/19 "2019-01-10T00:54:02Z")
Interdictors. ---
**Author:** ![Rando\_Rambo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rando_rambo/32/175970_2.png) [@Rando\_Rambo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rando_Rambo)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 2:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-counter-to-my-tactic/130874/20 "2019-01-10T02:26:08Z")
Even though I’m nullified? [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-counter-to-my-tactic/130874.md?page=2)