# What is the game missing most **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 11, 2020, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176 "2020-01-11T21:53:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/229 "2020-01-17T19:11:20Z")
> [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](#): > > The .01 isk game isn’t pvp But… that’s literally what it is though… Competition… between a player vs another player… “PvP”… ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/230 "2020-01-17T22:10:38Z")
> [@Quor\_Dresden](#): > > I think you just like to argue, not debate, just argue regardless if you have a legit reason to or not. Do you not feel like you are in control of your real life? It’s okay you can talk to us, this is a safe space. And I think carebear trash like you need to stop acting so entitled. Boo hoo, there’s a PvE thing that could destroy your pod, get over it. Either accept the risk and do the PvE or go do something safer instead. But this endless whining about how loss-averse farmers have to cope with anything less than perfect farming efficiency at any content they want to farm needs to stop. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/231 "2020-01-17T22:12:27Z")
> [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](#): > > PVP isn’t a competition. It’s literally a death match. Nope, try again. PvP = player vs. player. PvE = player vs. environment. It has nothing to do with whether or not your ships/items/etc are destroyed in combat, it’s about who the opposition is. Trading and industry are PvP because the opposition is other players, not NPCs. Combat PvE is PvE because the opposition is NPCs. See the difference? ---
**Author:** ![Quor\_Dresden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quor_dresden/32/277545_2.png) [@Quor\_Dresden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quor_Dresden)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/232 "2020-01-17T22:55:47Z")
> [@Quor\_Dresden](#): > > . Do you not feel like you are in control of your real life? It’s okay you can talk to us, this is a safe space. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Boo hoo, Well that’s a start. Feel better to let it out a bit? Now try using more descriptive words. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 12:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/233 "2020-01-18T00:59:18Z")
> [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](#): > > It’s competitive > [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](#): > > but it’s a far cry from pvp So close yet so far. Anyways, ccp describe the game thus: ‘_The essential core concept of Eve is full time pvp in a sandbox environment_’. That’s from the eve FAQ. Eve has always been a pvp centric game. Pve in eve is a means to an end, to gather resources. But those resources are ultimately there to fund peoples pvp habits as well as create opportunities for pvp. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Raptor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/peter_raptor/32/247341_2.png) [@Peter\_Raptor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Peter_Raptor)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 3:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/234 "2020-01-18T03:27:08Z")
It’s obvious you’re new here friend, I’ve been in this game, on and off (currently OFF!), for 10 years. Many people have asked for what you’ve asked for, for longer than 10 years. We were promised; DUST 514 Integration, WiS, Controling Colonies on Planets as “Demigods”, etc etc etc All we ever get is “New” Rebalancing and Skins. You’ll be a Bitter Vet very soon, don’t worry. ![Capture](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/d/cd0366737c2d623e42086d1e4365dd6409986660.png) ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/235 "2020-01-18T07:32:35Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Take away PvP and EVE immediately dies. Not really because CCP would change it. The game would need to get items and ship durability, constant wearing off of stuff when in use, for economy to be in good shape. Crabbing would not stop. People dont play it only for PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/236 "2020-01-18T07:48:36Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > People dont play it only for PvP. Well they don’t have to. But just because they don’t seek out pvp doesn’t mean it’s not the focus of the game. Maybe it’s not the focus of _their_ game. But the governing principles of _the_ game still apply. They can’t ‘opt out’ of pvp without excluding themselves from hugely significant game features. Mining. Market. Hauling. Planetary interaction. Structures. Combat. And the pve these ‘non-pvp’ players partake in, is designed to put them in the cross-hairs of pvp’rs. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 8:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/237 "2020-01-18T08:01:06Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Not really because CCP would change it. They would have to change it to such a degree that it wouldn’t be EVE anymore. It would be X4 online… ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/238 "2020-01-18T11:45:05Z")
> [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](#): > > PVP isn’t a competition. It’s literally a death match. You are literally an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/239 "2020-01-18T11:58:31Z")
The sad part here is that some REALLY believe the phrase ‘eve is a pvp game’ and repeat it desperately because it was that way 2004 but since then the world has turned and they deny the fact it has… Statements like ‘2004 was the last time EVE was great’ and crap like that comes to mind and can be seen as an typical example of the mindset of those strange people by ‘normal’ people that actually are INTERESTED in the DEVELOPEMENT of this game and not just in cementing their own status ingame. It’s sad to say but sooner or later those people will be lost for the game because they will ragequit because they cannot stand the ‘wow like’ changes CCP has to make to the game in order to survive… I would say i will miss you all but i’m not political correct so simply go and never come back… ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/240 "2020-01-18T12:03:57Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > The sad part here is that some REALLY believe the phrase ‘eve is a pvp game’ and repeat it desperately because it was that way 2004 but since then the world has turned and they deny the fact it has… The sad part is that you can’t understand that being PVP is what makes Eve special. The sad part is that you don’t leave the game when you realize it’s not for you. You want PVE game ? Go in WoW, or the X series. > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > Statements like ‘2004 was the last time EVE was great’ and crap like that comes to mind That’s only in your mind. I mean, sure your mind is full of crap but you projecting them out of your mind is the reason you spout so much crap. > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > people that actually are INTERESTED in the DEVELOPEMENT of this game and not just in cementing their own status ingame. That’s not you. You don’t know the game, so you can’t discuss its development. You try to make it something else than it is, then claim that this it what it should be. BS. You know nothing. You’re just pure ignorance, like a stone talking about the colors. > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > the ‘wow like’ changes CCP has to make to the game in order to survive… That would actually kill Eve. [wow is dying - Google Search](https://www.google.com/search?q=wow+is+dying) ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/241 "2020-01-18T12:04:03Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > They would have to change it to such a degree that it wouldn’t be EVE anymore. It would be X4 online… And? The Problem is? ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/242 "2020-01-18T12:10:11Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > The Problem is? Never said if that was or wasn’t a problem, just implied that if one hates what they are doing and dreams about it being something else, why are they here in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/243 "2020-01-18T12:14:59Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > The sad part is that you can’t understand that being PVP is what makes Eve special. Nope…pvp is in every game but in eve the pvp players are an outrageous,loudmouthed minority that REALLY thinks they own the game… That is a flaw planted into the mindset of pvp by ccp simply by treating them like spoiled childs and this will stop. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > That’s only in your mind. I mean, sure your mind is full of crap but you projecting them out of your mind is the reason you spout so much crap. Nope that was actually said and used as an ‘argument’ in the past. If you don’t know this or don’t want to take note of or don’t remember it’s not me that cares…i’ve read this bs and I remember… > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > That’s not you. You don’t know the game, so you can’t discuss its development. > You try to make it something else than it is, then claim that this it what it should be. BS. > You know nothing. You’re just pure ignorance, like a stone talking about the colors. I KNOW this game obviously better than you do. It’s NO ‘PVP Game’ it’s a multi approach game with a pvp factor bottom line. You and your kind denying this fact does not matter at all because you would do and say ANYTHING to cement your own ingame status,even desperately stating lies. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > That would actually kill Eve. BS…‘wow like’ means things like high without PVP and things like that…the game will not die from this it would be much better. Not for you of course,but pure pvp is just a 1/3 minority so who cares about your kind? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/244 "2020-01-18T12:40:50Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > Nope…pvp is in every game but in eve the pvp players are an outrageous,loudmouthed minority that REALLY thinks they own the game… funny that you go from “eve is pve game” to “eve is pvp game with pvp players that talk a lot”. Talks a lot about how you don’t have any clue what you are talking about. > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > That is a flaw planted into the mindset of pvp by ccp simply by treating them like spoiled childs and this will stop. Keep crying. And go to another game, Eve is not for you. > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > Nope that was actually said and used as an ‘argument’ in the past. Since you are so bad at understanding basic things, I rather think you misunderstood what they told you. > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > I KNOW this game obviously better than you do. YOU DON T KNOW THIS GAME AT ALL obviously. All your claims are BS. Therefore you know nothing. > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > It’s NO ‘PVP Game’ IT IS. It’s a game that was dsigned with PVP at its core, by opposition to most MMOs that were made with PVP being a side part opf the game. You denying that fact does not matter at all because you would do and say ANYTHING to cement your own retarded beliefs, even desperately stating lies. > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > BS…‘wow like’ means things like high without PVP and things like that…the game will not die from this it would be much better. BS. It would die from this. > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > Not for you of course,but pure pvp is just a 1/3 minority so who cares about your kind? What is pure PVP ? Your head is full of ■■■■. “pure PVP” does not exist. You keep making up new terms every time, that make less sense one after another. Leave Eve, it’s not for you. You don’t bring anything to this game, and it does not bring you anything. Go back to WoW, there you will find the changes you so much need. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/245 "2020-01-18T13:50:19Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > The sad part here is that some REALLY believe the phrase ‘eve is a pvp game’ FFS, shut up Balos. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/246 "2020-01-18T14:08:07Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > a pvp factor bottom line Well at least he finally admitted its a pvp-based game. /Character ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/247 "2020-01-18T14:31:28Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Well at least he finally admitted its a pvp-based game. > > /Character I did? And your prove is an incorrect quote(because a FACTOR is not the MAIN purpose of a game but just a PART of it as i said)? Come on that’s way under your standard…you can do much better… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/248 "2020-01-18T14:32:53Z")
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