# What is the game missing most **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 11, 2020, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176 "2020-01-11T21:53:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2020, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/290 "2020-01-20T19:16:22Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Csm minutes. And you…here: that’s not a source that says that > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > the nerfing of wardecs should have had some kind of effect on retention. But they didn’t , which is what I am asking for. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Therefore nerfing them (effectively) would have changed that. Yes indeed, it changed them making people leave. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > But player activity did the opposite (see [eve-offline.net](http://eve-offline.net)). Where is the boost in player activity now that players aren’t leaving due to wardecs? unrelated, you are oversimplfying the problem, thus making it wrong ; but making a stupid claim makes a stupid argument. The claim from CCP, was that wardecs as they were, had a very bad effect on the retention (of new players ?) . It was never that removing it would make the activity increase. Going from one to the other makes no logic sense. Also that’s not what you asked. You asked why the people who had left because of wardecs, had not come back when they were removed, in this post : > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Except these mission runners were already leaving. > > Otherwise, where are they now? ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2020, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/291 "2020-01-20T19:26:38Z")
> [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](#): > > Most people, outside eve, when they see the word pvp, they think of combat. That doesn’t mean they are right. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2020, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/292 "2020-01-20T19:37:18Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > It was never that removing it would make the activity increase. So you say the reason for the change was retention. But the purpose of the change was completely unrelated to retenrion? Ok… 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2020, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/293 "2020-01-20T19:47:49Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > But the purpose of the change was completely unrelated to retenrion? Why are you making me say things I did not say ? Do you need to be that a liar ? “the purpose of the change is to increase retention” is not the same thing as “the purpose of the change is to increase activity”. I know that logic is not your thing, but trust me, those two sentences are completely unrelated, logically-wise. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2020, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/294 "2020-01-20T19:49:01Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Why are you making me say things I did not say ? Snicker. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2020, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/295 "2020-01-20T21:46:29Z")
Player activity is unrelated to player retention. Gotcha. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2020, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/296 "2020-01-20T21:55:10Z")
Well obviously too much PVP focus is bad for a game today…we loose players rapidly… And those are not PVP players… So… May the last PVP Player here turn off the light because this is what you will get for a continued unwanted PVP focus. And that’s a spoiler… ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2020, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/297 "2020-01-20T22:21:18Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Player activity is unrelated to player retention. Gotcha. you making stupid asserts does not make you less stupid. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 2:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/298 "2020-01-21T02:59:26Z")
Insults aside… What the game is missing most is purpose. I had both short and long term goals within a couple of months of starting to play. Short term was to kill as many Goons as possable as efficiently as possible! (Grrr Goons 😡 🤣 ) Long term was to get into a cap ship. A big goal at the time. Now you cant kill Goons and thanks to skill injectors, everybody can fly a cap ship in how long now, 10 min? Meh, it is what it is… Edit; We got a application from someone who said he wanted to join a “laid back corp”. To “me” anyway, EVE is not a laid back game. You need to bite the game or be a target. ---
**Author:** ![Jiris\_Yusef](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jiris_yusef/32/180998_2.png) [@Jiris\_Yusef](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jiris_Yusef)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/299 "2020-01-21T03:36:52Z")
You sound like the douchebag bitter vets that this game is famous for. Never wanting the game to change even when for the better. You should take a break from Eve man, realize theres life outside. ---
**Author:** ![Jiris\_Yusef](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jiris_yusef/32/180998_2.png) [@Jiris\_Yusef](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jiris_Yusef)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 3:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/300 "2020-01-21T03:38:49Z")
That’s the kind of mentality that drives player away. This game can be played however you want. Once a week, once a month, every day. It’s a SANDBOX game, maybe you need to understand what that means. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 4:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/301 "2020-01-21T04:26:28Z")
I understand what that means. 50k avg to 30k if were lucky. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 4:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/302 "2020-01-21T04:29:34Z")
> [@Jiris\_Yusef](#): > > Never wanting the game to change even when for the better. Neither you nor the OP has actually explained how this is “better”, or what it’s “better” compared to. Why don’t you try answering that issue first? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/303 "2020-01-21T05:14:13Z")
> [@Jiris\_Yusef](#): > > You sound like the douchebag bitter vets that this game is famous for. Never wanting the game to change even when for the better. “Your particular idea is stupid and you should be ashamed of yourself” and “all change is unacceptable” are not the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/304 "2020-01-21T09:43:02Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > I understand what that means. 50k avg to 30k if were lucky. We are at 20k.maybe lower atm… Don’t believe the economic reports look it up yourself at different times of the day…always lower than even 25k… Actual it’s 18k. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/305 "2020-01-21T09:47:31Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > “Your particular idea is stupid and you should be ashamed of yourself” and “all change is unacceptable” are not the same thing. Yes it is…because the reason to say this is the same… ‘No change i don’t like please’… ---
**Author:** ![Zirconium\_Solkaze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zirconium_solkaze/32/173693_2.png) [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zirconium_Solkaze)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/306 "2020-01-21T10:05:06Z")
“Most people are wrong then” Seriously, you guys argue like religious zealots. “My religion is the truth and everybody else is wrong!” Eve is a fine example of what happens when people ain’t forced to participate in such a community. I’m done with this topic. So long as there are players like you guys who back away anyone that steps outside your arbitrary boundaries of definitions, you guys will at best see eve stuck. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/307 "2020-01-21T10:28:29Z")
> [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](#): > > Seriously, you guys argue like religious zealots. Fanboism. Or just game meaning so much for those people. That is usually why people dont change their beliefs. Emotional investment is too stronk. Cant be helped. Even CCP doing what they can to make EVE stand on its head. Game changing, players staying, arguing, but staying. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/308 "2020-01-21T16:05:57Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > Yes it is…because the reason to say this is the same… > > ‘No change i don’t like please’… Railing against dumb ideas is not the same as demanding that things stay the same with no change at all, that’s a misrepresentation of what others have said. In your particular instance your proposed changes attack the nature and reputation of the game, and you’re so damned sure of yourself that the possibility of your ideas being dumb is impossible for you to even contemplate. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176/309 "2020-01-21T16:17:15Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > In your particular instance your proposed changes attack the nature and reputation of the game, and you’re so damned sure of yourself that the possibility of your ideas being dumb is impossible for you to even contemplate. Here we have the true misinterpretation… Not THE game will die…just THEIR game(that of the no changers) And yes…in that definition chain i am totally and absolutely right… It’s the same… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-game-missing-most/211176.md?page=15)